Justice Roberts: Hell No! I Won't Go! To The Senate Impeachment "Trial"

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  1. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From what I have been reading, there were 3-5 GOP senators that probably would vote to convict, another handful of maybe's while Trump was still president. Now that Biden is president those maybe's are now talking about how the impeachment is unconstitutional since Trump is no longer president and the 3-5 is probably down to 3.

    Unless McConnell is willing to do some arm twisting and perhaps vote for conviction first to set the example, this is doomed. I doubt McConnell is willing to do any arm twisting, we don't even know how he'll vote. But if he votes early to convict, perhaps a good number of other Republican senators will follow. If he votes not guilty, the rest of Republican senators will follow.

    Personally, I don't think McConnell gives an owl's hoot whether Trump is guilty or innocent. He just doesn't want to do anything rash to jeopardize the Republicans chances of regaining the senate in 2022. His vote, guilty or not guilty will be due to how he reads the tea leaves for 2022.
     
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    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure if you are up to date on current events, but Trump is NOT the President. The Chief Justice is not required to be at the Senate trial.
     
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    No Vice President has EVER presided over the trial of a President. You seem rather particular about when you squawk "Precedent!"
    Fake news. You just made up a role for the VP in the impeachment of the President, when there is no role for the VP in the impeachment of a President, and then declared my pointing that out as a "failed argument". It's like you have memorized phrases and you keep trying to deploy them where they do not fit the discussion.

    You are like the guy who is pulled over by a cop for driving 44 in a 45 and the cop writes you a ticket for exceeding the speed limit. You point out to him that 44 is less than 45 and he says: "That's a failed argument!"
    You would need 18 GOP votes to convict - name even 6.

    You are like the guy who says: If only I had a flying car, why I could fly! Now, if only I had a car, and if only it could fly!
     
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  5. Zorro

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    Look at the lengths they will go to do violence to our Right To Free Speech, Free and Fair Elections, Our Constitution, and now, we get a Banana Republic Political Show Trial where they make up the "rules" as they go along? What a shameful stain they are putting on our Constitutional Liberal Democracy, the oldest surviving Democracy in the entire world, and after just 5 days with Biden as president, we have this travesty in progress?

    Well, they can't be stopped, so, let's get it done!

    Maybe they can have Greta Thornburg preside.
     
  6. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    Senators DO have the power to remove other Senators from office, it's just not called impeachment.
    And the Impeachment trail in 1875 did reach a conclusion, it was not guilty, but it was concluded.
     
  7. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why do you think the founding fathers gave lame duck presidents a consequence free crime spree option? This means any president can do whatever in the last four weeks and nobody can touch him. What an odd thing for the FF to do.
     
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    THIS is the stain on our Democracy ...

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  9. Zorro

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    Yes, it failed because the Senators didn't think they had the authority to convict an ex office holder! And he, unlike Trump was clearly guilty and openly admitted it. That is your "precedent" a single failed vote from 150 years ago?

    Why don't you just admit that you want your Soviet Style Political Show Trial and simply get on with it rather than twisting yourself into a pretzel pretending your are following the constitution when clearly you are not. In fact, you mounted the argument that "sole power" means that the constitution doesn't have to be followed! So, why limit yourself to needing 2/3rds to convict? Why limit yourself to only removal? If you have "sole authority" and that means you "may do whatever the hell you want", why not put the conviction level a 35 yes votes and set up a guillotine right outside the Capitol for him and his family once the "verdict" is reached?
     
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    Yeah? What's this?

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    Oh, Fake News CNN answers this for us. It's a "mostly peaceful" protest.
     
  11. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    And Biden condemned the violence - he didn't incite it at a rally down the street.

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    There is another factor in play here

    Stopping Trump from ever Running for office again
     
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    The left is letting hate blind them. There is no evidence to support Trump did any wrong doing. They don't care about the truth or facts as long as thier feelings are happy.

    Trump is innocent until proven guilty and if the Senate finds him guilty it will be based on feelings and not facts and no such evidence exists.
     
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    Biden dragged his feet on condemning it and Trump was the one calling these people thugs and screaming law and order. Biden did it to look good. He is fake.
     
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    I've heard that time and time again. But unless Trump is convicted, there will be no second vote to deny Trump from running again. The senate can only have that second vote on conviction. That isn't going to happen.

    Impeachment is a political process to remove someone from office. Trump is already gone, removed. I say get this out of the political arena into the judicial arena. Let a federal prosecutor lay the evidence of sedition and insurrection before a federal grand jury. If the Federal grand Jury says charge him, then charge him and have a federal trial. There are severe penalties for someone found guilty of sedition and insurrection in federal court. Way beyond just removal from office, an office that is no longer occupied.

    You know, another way to look at this, this just dawned on me. Is the House, speaker Pelosi think there isn't enough evidence to convict Trump of sedition and insurrection before a federal judge and jury. Hence keeping this in the political arena with basically no punishment or penalties available outside of removal from office. This may or may not be true, just something that popped into my head.
     
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    If the news is correct Roberts was not asked to preside over this impeachment.
     
  17. Zorro

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    Trump didn't incite violence either. The Dem's Dog and Pony Show is trying to convict Trump for protected Free Speech. My, how far the Democrats have fallen from where they once stood in the breach, stalwart champions of Free Speech and Expression, and Completely against Blacklists. JFK would be ashamed of what his beloved party has become.

    Trump Impeachment DOA in Senate.

    He will be neither convicted nor barred from holding public office.

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    Loser.​

    Biden and congressional Democrats ran against the “chaos” of the Trump era, but, rather than a stately orderly process of governance, they are getting him blacklisted and censored by the various Giant social media platforms, and they plan to drag him back into the spotlight for a show trial that even left-of-center legal scholars have declared unconstitutional by very definition.

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    We know you're excited but the Nation's Appalled At The Show Trial Antics.

    Slapdash Nancy is preparing for their Show Trial performance to debut during the second week of February, and the show will be a flop.

    Professor emeritus, Harvard Law School, Alan Dershowitz writes at the Wall Street Journal,
    The Senate lacks the clear Constitutional authority to try a former official, and worse, it's dumb politics. His populist movement, and few of his 74 million voters buy the crap that his Constitutionally Protected Free Speech is an impeachable offense. Senate Republicans, never courageous folks, are getting cold feet.

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    You're gonna need a bigger boat.

    The Hill reports:
    And that's why Turn-Coat Cheney will be stripped of her perks.

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    Even Bernie's Mittens Are Uneasy With The
    Show Trial

    First the Show Trialer Dems will fail at impeachment, then they will fail at disqualification. The Senate lacks the jurisdiction to put citizen Trump on trial — much less the votes to convict him — it will certainly fail to disqualify him from holding public office. Moreover, Chief Justice John Roberts refuses to preside over such a hillbilly travesty.
    The Dems didn't consider the jurisdiction issue and the House Dems didn't bother with due process during their obscenely precipitous impeachment charade. But, behold the legal system Dems would foist on America if only they could. Show Trials for protected free speech, presided over whoever they can get to to play along. The outcome so pre-determined that they do not even attempt to fake due process.

    If the Banana-Republic Democrat leadership in the Senate insists on plunging ahead with the trial in February, there will obviously not be enough time for the Trump legal team to properly prepare a defense.

    If Dems were smart, and they are not, Dems would quickly dismiss the House’s impeachment article.
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    If the Mittens Don't Fit....
     
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    If he didn't incite them to insurrection, then a lot of those caught doing it on January 6 are going to be bitterly disappointed as that is the defense they are using in court. THE DEVIL(aka Dirty Donald) made me do it.
     
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    He does not have to be asked. The Constitution says he will precede over the senate trial.
     
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    What do you mean he can't be touched in his last four weeks? If he committed a crime he can be prosecuted. Impeachment is NOT about PUNISHMENT. That is a judicial matter and the Constitution is quite clear about that and such sanctions are to be applied after he leaves by the JUDICAL system. And he's a private citizen now the Senate has no business declaring itself a court so it can try a private citizen and apply a legal sanction against them such as denying them one of their rights. Why do you think the Chief Justice bailed?
     
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    Fake news
     
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    Negative, the Constitution states and I quote, "When the president of the United States is tried, the chief justice shall preside." Rather simple isn't it. The president of the United States is Joe Biden. So if Biden was impeached and a trial held in the senate while he was president, then the chief justice would have to preside.

    Trump isn't president, he's a private citizen at this point. There's nothing in the Constitution about the chief justice presiding over an impeachment trial of a private citizen in the senate. That's exactly what you have here, what is happening. An impeachment trial to remove an private citizen from an office he no longer holds. I suppose this makes sense to some folks, but it leaves me scratching my head.

    If I thought Trump was guilty of sedition and insurrection, I'd bring that to a federal prosecutors attention ASAP and provide that prosecutor with all the evidence I have so he could present it to a federal grand jury. Then if the grand jury decided the evidence was enough to charge him, I'd charge him and bring him before a federal judge and court for trial where there are severe penalties other than just removing a private citizen from an office he has already left or been removed from via the November election.
     
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    so, if one beats their wife and is charged, but gets a divorce before it's tried, it's still a domestic abuse, they can't say, but your honor, I am no longer married to her

    Trump WAS the President when he was Impeached
     
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    Fake News.

    "When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside." ​

    Trump is not The President of The United States.
     
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    Fake news. The Chief Justice isn't presiding.
     

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