legally reversing trump's pardons

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    Howard Dean; A pardon can be reversed if the president who issued the pardon was impeached, according to the 1868 revised edition of A Familiar Exposition of the Constitution of the United States, a popular textbook by Supreme Court Associate Justice Joseph Story.
    https://washingtonmonthly.com/2021/01/22/can-trumps-pardons-be-reversed/
    a relevant passage is Article II, Section 2, in the so-called “Commander-in-chief clause.” The president, it says, “shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.” we're left to interpret this, but pardons can't stand which were issued as paybacks for favorable past criminal activity anyway.
    no better time than now to do it completely and let courts decide the matter decades later
     
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    Silly ignorant interpretations of the Constitution by legal pundits and scholars are a dime a dozen.
     
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    you're real point is...?
     
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    I think this is a point that could be argued. But it would only apply to the direct actions for which he was impeached.

    He appears to have stayed away from pardoning anybody who might implicate him in the crimes for which he was impeached. Maybe to allow them to claim 5th A protection. By which they would protect him. But I don't remember seeing anybody who might have participated either in the calls to insurrection that led to January 6, or the extortion of President Zelensky. Surprisingly, he didn't pardon Giuliani. And he would be the one implicated in both crimes. This allows him to plead the 5th to protect Trump.
     
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    the never ending bloodlust for trump in full effect...how come you are still talking about Trump instead of the new president's policies? Is it because you guys hardly even know what biden's policies even are?

    SAD
     
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    who goes wide-eye over trains running as usual ala awesome Biden policies? we love watching traitor trump train wrecks tho
     
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    ahh so they are "awesome" ? cool! can you even name a few? (hurry up, go google it...we all know the left knows nothing of policy)
     
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    are you kidding? lol google can't keep up with the awesomeness!
     
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    That's an interesting take. I don't know enough about Constitutional law to see if this interpretation has legal merit, but I sure would like to know if someone does try it.
     
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    Dems still play by the rules so they're always fighting a losing battle, if rightys get power again it's all out the window. anything goes.
     
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    That is going to depend on what the Republican Never Tr**pers do, whether they will take back the party, or let the GOP die to form a new one. I doubt Maggers will ever able to organize a viable 3rd party.
     
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    it'll be 90% for Qnuts and remnants of what traitor trump left them hanging on to for another year as it festers and Moscow Mitch freaks out.
    just like the Teas imploded it's worse now with Donald calling them lowlife and leaving office, they'll feed heavily on each other.
     
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    So you aren't serious then. I guess you like Biden because he isn't Trump. To each his own I suppose. I thought POLITICS was about the POLICIES.. have fun slinging that hate around
     
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    It means the president cannot pardon impeachments, not that an impeached president can't pardon.
     
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    if you're missing the fun then that's more WINNING for us
     
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    But only if convicted.
     
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    lol nope
     
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    What Article II, Section 2 means is that the president can't pardon someone that has been impeached. You can't overturn a presidential pardon. That would be double jeopardy.
     
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    Howard Dean.

    To the topic, dream on.
     
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    Patriot
    wouldn't it be nice? just deserts
     
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    Only if you're in favor of the Cat o' nine tails or the rack used to extort confessions
     
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    seems the FBI are using their own cell phones, friends, and families against lazy traitors just fine
     
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    Obvious to me. Why do you not understand what he said?
     
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    The Rump didn't have any policies short of "I alone can fix it"....and he didn't!
     
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