I am tired of all the "first this" and "first that" of Biden Administration

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  1. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    I am not familiar with Ms. Robinson.

    If Harris were a true champion of women, she would have objected to Biden's inflicting transsexuals on women's sports.
     
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    Interpret however you need to. It is a milestone for women and minorities whether you like it or not.
     
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    Asherah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course you can, just as I can find it annoying when people interpret a positive observation about diversity in a negative way.
     
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    Well we sure as hell did not have this problem under Donald Trump! They did not represent a whole lot of 'firsts' but they were either owned by the industry they were supposed to regulate, morally suspect, stupid, racist, or too busy shivering in fear to stand up to Trump.

    What I want to know from you is which of these nominees do you think is either underqualified, or too corrupt, or not bright enough, or not experienced enough to make you feel comfortable with decision to nominate them. I don't mind all these 'firsts', as long as they are competent, capable and able to manage their departments and direct policy. That is the standard I want you to apply too. Take the rest up with the media because when they edit mention and emphasize what they think is important.
     
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    The end of a democracy (or it's advancement) usually starts like this.... appealing to the masses, emotions demonizing opposition, being the wolf in sheep's clothing.

    "WE WANT EQUALITY, SO WE WILL FAVOUR BLACKS, LATINOS, ASIANS OVER WHITES".
    Translation = "We will not base things on merit and we will employ a reverse racism strategy"
    Consequences = Less productivity, higher racial tensions, more division, unqualified people running things

    "WE CARE ABOUT CLIMATE, WE WILL SAVE THE PLANET"
    Translation = "We will destroy good paying jobs and attack energy sector, waste money trying alternative energy, grow government's power"
    Consequences = More reliant on foreign oil, a security risk. More costs to the consumer, no real change to climate

    "WE WANT EQUALITY, TRANSGENDERS CAN COMPETE WITH FEMALES IN SPORTS"
    Translation = "We will make things more unfair for biological females and put them at a disadvantage."
    Consequences = More resentment towards transgender people, less fairness in competitive sports

    "WE CARE ABOUT THE POOR, WE WILL KILL POVERTY"
    Translation = "We will wage war on success and empower the less productive. We will ship jobs oversees by setting minimum wage too high, we will discourage risk taking, investment"
    Consequences = more poverty, less productivity, more welfare (BIGGER GOVN)

    "WE CARE ABOUT IMMIGRANTS, WE WILL LET THEM IN"
    Translation = "We want more voters loyal to democratic party and we do not care who they are"
    Consequences = make us less safe, more drugs pouring in, more poverty imported, more people to sustain

    "WE ARE THE TOLERANT, FAIR, MORAL PEOPLE"
    Translation = "If you don't agree with us and our policies, you are not a good person and you will be targeted. You may also be complicit in racism, white supremacy"
    Consequences = An assault on freedom of speech, more division, more radicalism
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the law is the law, why did not republican change it... equal rights applies to sports too, if we want to make an exception for sports, congress needs to pass a law
     
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    First of all ... Of course, the media always play a role, but here at Trump Trump himself plays the main role and his statements on Twitter, in front of the cameras at press conferences and other speeches, everything is but not twisted by the media. It is his own words and there is no doubt about it!

    As for Trump's alleged economic success ... sorry ... that's more glare and a well-selling lie than actually Trump's success and reality. What sets Trump apart from most other people, who also tend to make historically questionable comparisons, is that he himself still presents his actual and real successes so exaggerated that many statements are no longer correct in the end.
    If you look at the economic growth (I'm talking about facts and official figures!) Of the 13 presidents since the end of World War II, i.e. the last 75 years, Trump is not even close to number 1 of 13 presidents, as he always claims. .. it's not even enough for 2nd or 3rd place ... Trump is only in 9th place! And this is the situation of BEFORE Corona virus came ... so no excuse due to Corona possible here!
    When Trump took office - contrary to all his claims - an economic situation that many predecessors could only dream of: The economy was already growing steadily, unemployment was low, and key interest rates were as low as seldom before. Trump's achievement is that he was able to prolong the development contrary to the recession forecasts of some experts. The rise in gross domestic product continued - fueled by tax cuts he made - and the unemployment rate continued to fall, albeit a little more slowly than before. Wages rose a little more than under Obama, with the curve pointing down again recently because many normal jobs at companies were changed to low-wage jobs ... which also puts the unemployment figures into perspective!
    IN SHORT: Trump mainly benefited from the work and actions of his predecessor - Obama! And Obama, on the other hand, had very different starting conditions when he took office as you know!

    Regarding your last comment about illegal immigration ... First of all, you are generalizing extremely here and that is beyond all realities. So for you 9 out of 10 illegal (if not 10 out of 10) are ultimately all criminals that harm US society?
    The fact is that most of them are hard-working people, but they also do every bad and underpaid dirty job that hardly any US citizen is willing to do ... because these US citizens would rather become criminals than do such a job! Ask yourself how many US citizens pick fruit in the fields for the money you earn for this hard job ...
     
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    And how did he do that?
     
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    ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    What took you so long?

    I have never placed anyone on ignore in 2 plus years of posting across countless sites. Interesting how some people "need" it.

    Peace
     
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    And you assume my issue is with ' hearing about Harris.' Again, you make assumptions.
     
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    No assumption. You admitted it. I even supplied the posts showing such. If you're just going to be disingenuous in the face of proof then go troll someone else.
     
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    I know exactly the impact Trump's policies had on business. The removal of certain regulations creates the environment for business growth, and no, it was not a continuation of Obama's administration. If it had been, then it would have taken another 3 or 4 years to reach the level it was at. Rising wages, dropping unemployment, dropping household debt servicing was not 'because of Obama'. Of Trump had been as horrendous a POYUS as some try to make him out to be, wages would have stagnated, unemployment would have risen, and business growth would have either stagnated or dropped. None of that happened.

    None of this discussion has to do with Trump's aggrandizement of his person successes. I dislike the man as a person, so we can put that aside, shall we?

    Your perspective on immigration is contaminated with the idea that there aren't legal ways for people to come and work under visas. Making them legal to hire.
    H-2A Temporary Agricultural Workers | USCIS
    j-1 visa - USCIS.gov Search Results
    Working in the United States | USCIS

    If a person who comes to the US illegally, either by crossing a border or overstaying their Visa, then they are committing a crime. If they forge documents to gain employment, they are committing a crime. If they use someone else's identity (with permission) to gain employment, they have committed a crime. If they steal someone's identity to gain employment, they have committed a crime. If they work 'under the table' and accept cash for other than 'casual labor' less than $600, they have committed a crime. The only legal way they can gain employment legally, is to apply for either a Social Security number or a ITIN, which is not intended for people have come here illegally or overstayed their Visa.

    I'll be sending a bill for the educational session. :)
     
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    I'll guess you missed the word 'continually', besides being used as an example.
     
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    Which was your response to this..."Does it hurt you in any way or impact your life in any way for women to have their moment to celebrate the first female VP?"
    So yes, you did admit it bothers you hearing about Harris being first female VP. Amazing how disingenuous you're being.
     
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    And you still refused to actually read what was written. Continually. More than just once, on more than one person.

    If the women of whatever talk show want to cheer it, good on them. If a women's forum want's to cheer on it, have at it. Having 'first this and first that' continually thrown out on general news, makes me hit the off button, just as the off button was a good friend during Presidential speeches, DNC speeches, and any number of political shows.
     
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    Which doesn't change the fact that it bothers you that Harris is being celebrated as the first female VP. But thanks for proving my point.
     
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    You can continue thinking you've proven some point, but that would only be you.
    Have a nice day.
     
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    Well sure, if you ignore your own actual posts. Haha
     
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    If you have a problem with any of those who Biden has selected, then how about addressing that.

    Otherwise, your issue is total BS.

    Please remember we've had 4 years of a white supremacist who selected toadys who had NO qualifications and he had to fire in relatively short order.
    Clean energy means jobs. We need our entire electric grid updated, regardless of the power source. Wind power is already a large industry throught the US, but especiall from Texas to North Dakota. Most residences in the US would financially benefit from solar power. Think of what it would take to put solar on the roof tops of America's homes.

    Clean energy represents a GIGANTIC opportunity for employment.
    There really isn't anything to say to those upset about gender that would cause them NOT to hate.

    Think about that.
    It's called capitalism. Jobs never last forever or stay in one place. Enrepreneurs throughout the world are constantly searching for a way to compete.
    NOBODY is in favor of open borders. Try to remember that.

    There is every reason to take a pause and attempt to come to some rational and non-criminal policy.

    Those in the Trump administration who kidnapped babies need to be charged with their crimes. The least we can do is try to unite those they kidnapped with their paarents.

    And, then we need actual policy regarding immigration - not the criminal crap we've lived through for the last 4 years.
    Those doing the targeting today are the white supremacists.

    They are stalking congressmn, killing people based on their skin color, and attempting to overthrow our form of government. They ARE the domestic terrorists - ask the FBI.

    They are an existential threat to America and must be stopped.
     
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    Trump did not increase the rate of recovery from the Bush crash that Obama already established.

    I'm sure he allowed your company to feel free to damage our envronment, but that didn't make any overall difference. It just made YOU happy.
    Republicans have NEVER made ANY attempt to hold Trump accountable for his actions.

    The Republican party today fully backs the insurretion that Trump hoped woul overthrow our democracy.

    I don't think you get it at all. This isn't about some eco damage you want to do. This is about what is required of all citizens to ensure that a democracy can survive.
    You can whine all you want, of course. That's not an education. The issue is what we should do about it.

    During Obama's term and under Democratic Senate control an Republican House control bipartisan committees were established to come up with an immigration reform bill that is comprehensive - not just "how to build a border wall", or "how to kidnap children".

    Those committees came up with a bill that passed the Senate and had the votes to pass in the House, too, but the Reublican Speaker blocked it from coming to a vote.

    That bill still exists. It answers the questions you haven't even bothered to ask.

    Please get informed. Read that bill. Find out what Democrats and sane Republicans actually want.

    And, PLEASE try to move beyond your sad sack whining.
     
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    Maybe, some day, you will actually understand who you are responding to, where they stand, and the lack of a predefined political position means three quarters of your post is fertilizer for my lawn.
     
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    I'm betting that if you have an issue, you will state it.

    And, your hate for "first" is just plain silly.

    Those firsts indicate progress on important issues. The very idea that there are firsts of that nature is a condemnation of America, as there is no jusification for preventing these firsts until this century.

    And, that fact that progress IS being made today is absolutely something to celebrate - small celebrations of progress following the white supremacist years of Trump that culminated in the Republican party deciding that democracy is crap - and carrying out an insurrection on that basis.

    There are many more opportunities for celebration.

    When will we get to celebrate Republicans standing up for democracy???
     
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    Do you actually understand what the word 'hate' means? Or what the difference is between finding something annoying and hating it?

    When you identify people by their physical characteristics, as though that is important for what they have done, then you are functioning on identity, not ability, knowledge or talent. Most intelligent people understand that venerating physical characteristics that someone had no control over heightens separation of people based on identity.

    I don't care what gender, color, age, looks, nationality or sexual orientation someone has. I think those that feel it is important, are shallow and cause more of the very problems that need to be resolved in this country.

    I have no idea when Republicans are going to do whatever, I am not a member of that party.

    As to your opinions regarding Trump, perhaps you may eventually understand that the media will tell you what to think, rather than give you facts and let you form your own opinion.
     
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    Not funny!
     
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    That is subliminally funny! Good one. I do enjoy subtle humor.
     
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