Andrew Cuomo needs to go

Apparently New York State doesn't have a recall election mechanism for a governor but a petition to remove him from office can be filled in any appellate division of the State Supreme Court, and the latter can then remove a governor.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cuomo-lied-now-know-231901533.html

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/new-york-covid-19-nursing-home-deaths-192013781.html

The two sources above, Business Insider, and HuffPo, are hardly right wing... and what is reported that the governor did is completely and utterly intolerable.

He didn't only make a boneheaded decision with sending Covid-19 positive patients to nursing homes, but tried to cover it up with undercounting, and lied about it. The governor was responsible for thousands of avoidable deaths.

Andrew Cuomo deserves to lose his office over this.

Well, if this doesn't go anywhere then I certainly hope that the citizens of the State of New York vote him out in his next election.

 

Making a mistake is one thing - all elected officials make mistakes.

If he lied/covered it up as appears to be the case, then he is a disgrace

 

While I appreciated his fact based COVID conferences early in the pandemic, this is extremely troubling. A deadly mistake for far too many. Lying about it has destroyed any goodwill I might have once had for him.

 

i created a thread on this. This is the democrat playbook.. they always convince people they are the good ones but they are truly worse... It is an abomination that this man is so revered by the MSM and left, even got an EMMY. He is the definition of psychopath... he uses nice words, hyptonizes people with charm but deep inside - apathy, deceit, cowardice. He was never man enough to admit he messed up, president Trump gave him everything he asked for and he kept blaming Trump.

I wonder if what he did is even criminal!

 

I'm no lawyer but I think that there is a case for criminal responsibility, which is why the DoJ is examining the matter, if I'm not mistaken. In any case, the families of the deceased ones certainly have a case to sue in civil court. There is also a violation of his oath of office to protect the people of New York. I think there may be a case to say that the civil rights of the nursing home residents were violated, too.

This is much worse than the California governor did (dining with friends while saying to his constituents that they couldn't do that due to a lockdown) and there is a petition to recall him. What Gavin Newsom did, pales in comparison to what Andrew Cuomo did. If Newsom's constituents are trying to remove him, with much bigger reason Cuomo needs to be removed.

I'd like to read what other people said in your thread. Would you please give me a link to your thread?

We have a member here who is a very smart lawyer. I'd like to tag him and ask for his opinion on what sanctions the governor might face. I hope his settings include tag notifications.

@Death would you give us your legal opinion on this, please?

 

I see nothing in the cited article that supports what you say in the bolded para.

How did the miscounting come about? I see nothing supporting the idea that it was intentional

I was told that Cuomo referred Covid sufferers to nursing homes because the homes themselves assured him they could keep these patients from infecting even more people and the hospitals were full up at the time.

This is important to keep in mind. What could Cuomo DO? the hospitals had no more room

Covid patients don't do at all well if you put them under bridges.

 

Build campaign hospitals

 

Or use the ships that former/ex/no longer President Trump had provided at the time. Instead, governor Cuomo decided we needed to up the death count in order to affect the political elections. The governor abuses show us that there is a need for a federal government, and that state power can be abused with very little recourse.

 

I posted the following articles, and several more during a period when Trump loyalists didn't like the word "undercounting'', thus, in one ear, out the other.



With Cuomo Under Scrutiny, New York Switched to Undercounting Deaths in Nursing Homes

MAY 21, 2020

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/05...hed-to-undercounting-deaths-in-nursing-homes/

New York's true nursing home death toll cloaked in secrecy ...
www.washingtonpost.com › health › 2020/08/11Aug 10, 2020 — New York's coronavirus death toll in nursing homes, already among the highest in the nation, could actually be a significant undercount

 

Cuomo is nothing more than a self-absorbed elite acting as though he knows all. His talk (acting) makes him sound superior but he is really a dunce. If you add in the fact he keeps blaming Trump then that also makes him evil. I would hope the voters kick him to the curb.

 

The cover up is almost always worse than the crime.

Now, you could think that at the beginning of covid, which was when it hit NYC, people didn't know that nursing home residents would bear the brunt of the death toll. With a hospital bed crunch looming, I could see the attempt to utilize all available beds, even those in nursing homes.

In retrospect, this was a terrible decision. However, it is not the wrong decision based on lack of data that is the issue (Monday morning quarterbacking is easy), the cover up of the deaths by under counting them is really troubling.

 

Trump sent the hospital ship Hope to help NY add beds but Cuomo never used it. Instead he complained that they were running out of beds. More ammunition to blame Trump. Cuomo is the devil himself.

 

Well said. We all make mistakes. We don't all take responsibility for them. My first day conversation with each new employee was that if they make a mistake, let me know and I'll help fix it. Cover it up and you're out of here. He should be out of there.

 

Yep, I was thinking of those ships, too.

 

You are absolutely correct about the ships. I was thinking the same thing but only typed campaign hospitals. Yep, ships remained idle while patients where shipped to nursing homes. A shame.

 

Look, that was NOT something so hard to figure out even in those early days. This pandemic got to some countries before it got critical here. Italy, for example, had a public health disaster much earlier than we did, and simple observation of what was going on there would show that this virus is particularly hard on the elderly, and old Italians were dying all over the place... So, it doesn't take a genius to understand that the nursing home population, made of a bunch of old and vulnerable people all clustered together, would need to be particularly shielded from the virus; instead, the governor sent the virus right to their middle... Like I said, it's incredibly boneheaded, and no, you could do real-time Sunday quarterbacking to figure this out. No need to only realize how stupid it was, on Monday morning...

"People who are 75, 80, 85+ are dying like flies in Italy. This virus seems to kill them off pretty easily. Hey, here is a brilliant idea: let's send positive, contagious Covid-19 patients to nursing homes right in the middle of where we gather our 75, 80, and 85+ citizens. What could go wrong?"

Do you really think that one needs to only figure it out retroactively, like in a Monday morning quarterbacking? I don't think so.

 

That's where Florida had gotten it right in the early going, but the migrant problem ended up causing an outbreak there. If it's not one vulnerable section of the population, it's another. This bug has been unprecedented in how easily and quickly it spreads, making containment an exceptionally difficult task.

 

100% agree. That is the most egregious offense here. If he sent people to nursing home acting on his advisors, that's one thing. But then covering up the fallout of that decision is completely unacceptable. It deprives voters of the necessary facts they need to assess his efficacy. And once you're caught concealing facts, you can't be trusted ever again.

He needs to resign.

 

I watched his Coronavirus briefing yesterday and he mentioned that his father also died. I don't know if that was meant as an appeal to emotion or not. Regardless, I think something should be done if he willingly altered numbers and covered things up.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo Holds Coronavirus Briefing | NBC News

 

Andrew Cuomo is a Conservative Democrat, and career politician, who is very corrupt and fully entrenched in his position of power. Good luck trying to remove him from office! His generous supporters, and over 10 years of government experience, allow him the funds and experience to attack any Democratic challengers and make them look like amateurs.

 

Sure, but if he pissed off the voters (I'm pissed off and I'm not even a voter there - although I once was, before I moved; I was born in New York - so I assume that others are, too) the voters have a way for punishing the politicians who aggravate them; it's called elections. That's why I said, if an effort to recall him (and I understand that in New York, unlike in California, it can only be done by petitioning the State Supreme Court) goes nowhere, then the NY voters should vote him out.

 

Gun deaths are down. Many of them which were inadvertently counted as gun deaths, should have been counted as hospital deaths because they did not die until they transported them to the hospital.

 

He needs to got to jail for mass murder.

 

The bad news is that all the up and coming democrats are far-left extremists who won't get the vote. On the other hand, the voters in New York City don't care about anything and have the votes to out-number all other voters -- so no Republicans. Plus, running a huge state, like New York, is a big job and I think most people won't want to do it.

 

That's too bad, if he goes unpunished. I guess it's not unheard of that the rich and the power go unpunished. I wonder if, not being able to do anything politically, if families of the deceased nursing home residents can sue him in civil court. We have a lawyer here, @Death and I wonder if he can tell us if a governor can be sued civilly or prosecuted criminally for decisions in the exercise of his office.