Reparations I can live with...

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  1. rahl

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    no it isn't
     
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    myths are for the ignorant.
     
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    no idea what you think this statement has to do with anything I stated.
     
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    everything you do is predetermined.
     
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    no it isn't
     
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    see, iknew you were going to type that. the universe is full of pretty patterns if you look hard enough.
     
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    Not sure what you expected me to type? Nothing I, you, or anyone else on earth does is predetermined. Every single action is a conscious choice.
     
  8. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps due to your unique heritage and rejection of a specific culture for yourself has lead you to dismiss and vilify all those who have assigned themselves to a culture. They may be born to it or drawn to it but either way it is legitimate to them and your contempt for their opinion is of little consequence.
     
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    So one race works harder than the other to acquire wealth. I feel like a dentist.
     
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    It has nothing to do with race. That you see a racial correlation is on you. It’s the INDIVIDUALS choices that determines their lot in life. Race is irrelevant.
     
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    Why does 80% of our population need to be constantly obsessed with why the other 20% keep failing?

    How about not making a hero out of people like George Floyd?

    Minority business ownership? You never have eaten in Mexican or Chinese restaurant? Indian business ownership is so common Joe Biden made a racist joke about it.

     
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    Working as a nurse especially in a prison environment I have known many African immigrants who are grabbing opportunity with both hands. Many of these women were teachers or nurses back home and they take lessor jobs here working full time while going to school.

    They don't sit on their asses waiting for a handout and they do not respect those who do.

    Nigerian immigrants have similar family incomes to whites.
     
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    Why not provide these opportunities to all low-income people, not just minorities?
     
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    Technically white men are a minority. They are 30% of the population.
     
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    Exactly. And the reason behind their thinking is shown by Edna above. People think of them as a racial grouping, notice there are more in this group than in another racial grouping who need the help, so equate the group with the needing of help. It is racist on a very basic level.

    Your suggestion that we should help people based on need instead of race is the right answer.

    Maybe some who grow up in the west are coaxed into a sense of group learned helplessness, but many “people of colour” who immigrate from outside, don’t appreciate being presumed needy or lesser.

    The regressive false-liberals have taken the white supremacist mindset and flipped it on its head, to the point that rich black people can’t buy expensive things without the store clerks questioning if they can afford it. That’s why “driving while black” is a thing.
     
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    Yep.

    Reparations are all about race not helping anybody get ahead or solving any of our economic problems.

    Even Trump got involved in this nonsense with his platinum plan for blacks and giving money to black colleges when there should be no such thing as a black college.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/25/politics/donald-trump-black-empowerment-platinum-plan/index.html
     
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    The solution to racism in society isn’t more racism but done a new way.

    The solution is to encourage cultural colour blindness (including in laws), to foster a sense of disgust at racism (which we were making progress at) and the passage of a generation or maybe two.

    “Anti-racist” Critical Race Theory (which is the opposite of what it claims to be) has set that back rather than having pushed it forward.

    Some social programs such as universal health care and UBI are things I support, as an actual liberal, but I demand these be entirely detached from race.
     
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    How does one “assign themselves to a culture” that is a skin colour? Can white people join this “Black culture” you speak of? Are you advocating black face?

    My entire life experience with struggling against racism against me has been the fight for white people (and other colour people) to treat me as NOT different based on my skin colour. We have a ways to go still, but we've come very very long way. I can now join cultural groups in my country, regardless of that my skin isn't the same colour as most of the other people's. I'm no longer excluded just because I don't look the same. Your demand that Black and White be seen as cultures goes against that and sets me back, and I resent you doing so.
     
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    The 10:1 mean difference in wealth between whites and blacks has nothing to do with race?
    And there is no I in denial.
    Is this a flight of righty ideas? I don't think the 80% obsess much if the are like me...hyperbole. Floyd is not a hero he is a symbol. Maybe there aren't any soul food restaurants near you or maybe you wouldn't be seen in one.
    That would be great.
    Culture can be acquired. Obama growing up in Hawaii, having white friends, mother and grandparents probably wasn't too in touch with black culture until he got to Chicago later in life.

    Again you go on about your "struggle". The conversation turns to you. Your dismissal of all those who accept a culture as part of them and of coarse it's not all of who they are, that would be a ridiculous statement, but that's what you seem to believe. Your extreme view is simplistic black and white. I have a culture that I am proud of but that is a small part of me that stays in the background until it is needed. African Americans, if they are normal, live the same way. They're culture does not come to the forefront until it is of use. It is naive to think eliminating cultures will eliminate racism.
     
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    no

    huh?
     
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    You didn't answer my question. Can white people join the "black culture" you speak of? Or is it "cultural appropriation" if a white guy "acts black"? As an old school liberal, I can't tell much difference between these critical race theory concepts and old school racism that I still see from time to time on the right (though less often these days than in the past, and less often now than this new faux-progressive racism on the left).

    I don't dismiss anyone. They can all have their own thoughts and views and opinions. What I won't do is equate their opinions, thoughts, and beliefs with an entire skin colour of people, which includes plenty of people who disagree with them.

    I didn't say anything about eliminating cultures. I said skin colour is not a culture. Being black is not a culture. Being black and living in the west or in the USA specifically is not a culture.

    I do applaud you for finally saying you'd be ok with giving help to everyone who needs it regardless of race (which you ignored the first time I suggested it). Do you still think race should matter in this giving of help? Would you prioritize black people in need over white people or hispanic people in need?
     
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    White americans helped make black a culture. Thats why you labelled them "black" so you could identify them.
     
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    Funny thing is that if the bureaucrats just got out of the way most of that would happen. Maybe a few mentors to demonstrate and guide them in the habits, skills and attitudes that have proven successful elsewhere.
     
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    Careful now, talk like that will get you branded as a racist. All of the various habits, skills, and attitudes displayed by people in this current iteration of America are to be considered equal in this post-woke society that we are creating.
     
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    I’m going to post this graphic from Smithsonians Black Museum. I think it was posted sarcastically, but if you look at the items it reads like a recipe for success for a person of any race:
    White culture.png
     
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