You wouldn't think it wise to start a war with the people making the life saving vaccine

But that's just what the EU is doing.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...ne-supply-unacceptable-says-official-12198785

"The European Union wants to know exactly which doses have been produced by AstraZeneca and where exactly so far and if or to whom they have been delivered.

"The answers of the company have not been satisfactory so far... The European Union wants the ordered and pre-financed doses to be delivered as soon as possible. And we want our contract to be fully fulfilled."

and so the EU is now looking to block exports out of the EU or introduce more red tape delaying this vaccine to countries with orders outside of the bloc.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...id-vaccine-exports-amid-astrazeneca-shortfall

Meanwhile, one Spanish MEP wants to put the EU flag all over it.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...eu-flag-brussels-rollout-Ursula-von-der-Leyen

 

The EU won't be ready for their vaccine roll out until 2024, so are taking it out on the rest of the world.


The EU ordered their vaccines 3 weeks after the UK ordered theirs.
The only 1st the EU was with AstraZeneca was that AstraZeneca were the 1st people EU ordered from, but they weren't the first to order from AstraZeneca.

Also, the EU shot themselves in the foot; countries of the EU ordered, then the EU cancelled that order and re-ordered as a bloc.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...covid-19-vaccines-amid-rollout-anger-n1255636
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55805903

This is unacceptable and the world shouldn't tolerate the EU's hoarding of the vaccine saying EU lives are more important than non EU lives when it's not our fault the EU is less efficient.

 

Astra Zeneca is a mediocre vaccine, medium efficiency, with a totally screwed up Phase 3 testing. On top of its efficiency with UK and South African mutation is very bad.
So bad that South Africa stopped its use.

 

And that excuses EU's actions over vaccine supplies?
EU made it harder to export PFizer from the bloc because of their own failings to secure their own supplies and almost triggered Article 16 of the Brexit deal with the UK before quickly retracting it in a jingoistic EU first move that would have created a hard border on the island of Ireland.

 

The EU does what it has to do, like the US. If it is produced within its borders, it stays within its borders till the contracts are fullfied.
Brexit has its consequences, or the UK should have its own production within its borders.
No mRNA production in the UK.

 

The UK has AstraZeneca and Novavax produced 'in its borders'; does UK force these companies to seek permission before shipping these vaccines out of the UK?
I don't even think anyone but EU has this policy in place, and it's only in place as a response to the EU messing up its vaccine orders, so before anyone else can get theirs, the EU wants to jump the line.
Being in the EU has its consequences that only creating red tape fixes.
Consequences of the EU include messing up the vaccine roll out, and being in a country no one will listen to because it's in the EU.
Countries have trade deals with the EU, not with countries in the EU, no one listens to countries in the EU, not even the EU, as the EU does what it likes and tells countries in the EU what to do.
Surely you must admit being out of the EU is better than being in the EU when looking at UK's progress in 2021 in vaccine roll out leading in Europe.
UK also banned imports from China linked to slavery in solidarity with the US and Canada and UK applied to join the CPTPP, easily making the UK lead in Europe.
The only thing the EU leads in Europe is trading with the EU (itself) and listening to China.
If you count 'being able to trade with the EU' a measure of success, then of course the EU is going to be number #1, but that's the only thing the EU is leading in in Europe.

 

Than what is the problem you have production of your own juice. Be happy.
Why are you bitching about what the EU is doing, ain't your beef anymore, you are out of it.
Deal with your own problems.
You do not produce the most effective vaccines, the mRNA, they are produced in the EU and the US and both have we come first rules. First our contracts from the stuff produced within the borders and than the rest.
The US even cut Canada of.
The juices you bag about are low effectives, worse than a placebo against the South African mutation and miserable against the UK mutation.
Shoot them up in the UK with those juices and call it a win, fine with me.
I got my mRNA from BioNtech a day ago, 48 hours and I have Oxford protection, second shot 1. March plus 2 weeks 95%.

If the SA mutation gets to the UK, you are screwed even more than you are already.

Look at the UK Covid figures they are even more horrible than in the US. Our figures here in the US are rather bad.
But yours ?

Brexit has consequences, live with them.

 

UK has orders of EU produced PFizer that the EU basically wanted to steal to make up for their own failings and now ordered all vaccines produced in the bloc are granted permission before going to the people who bought them allowing the slow EU to jump the line.
How about 'don't mess up your own order and take what belongs to others?'

I'm glad we left the EU, because the UK is finally getting to see what the rest of the world had to put up with in dealing with the EU.
The EU is declining since Brexit, when UK was a member, it was just stagnant; UK joining the CPTPP will make the CPTPP the world's biggest trading group over taking the EU as biggest market by a narrow margin.
If the US joins the CPTPP as well, then without a question the CPTPP will give EU a run for its money as biggest market because unlike the formerly stagnant now declining EU, CPTPP is growing.
The EU isn't about trade with the world, the EU is about protecting Europeans, which will look less and less attractive to the outside world as years go by leaving the EU to trade with itself and thanks to CAI, China.
Brexit was more about rejoining the wider world than it was about leaving the European Union (a notion that the EU blindly doesn't understand).
This is all well and good, but don't pretend the EU is growing when it's declining after UK left it or that the any good at trading with the wider world when we look at problems US or UK have with selling to the EU.
The only thing the EU leads in in Europe is, as I said, trading with itself (and China).
The UK can undercut the EU while EU trades with itself and China, I've said this before and I mean it, it's happening, if UK or EU pulls the deal, there will be nothing to stop London from undercutting the EU leaving the EU to lock out London while the world comes to London for business in Europe, the EU will just be left with itself and China to trade with.
The UK's even leading Europe when it comes to joining the CPTPP.

 

Only countries in the EU are scaremongering the effectiveness of AstraZeneca, France, Germany, and this is based on not having data instead of data to back up their claim.
I hope you know that this is dangerous and shouldn't be believed.

The EU it seems is so evil they will lie to its people and the world when it comes to vaccines aganst Covid.
https://news.sky.com/story/oxford-a...vising-the-world-health-organisation-12214373

Poor South Africa, duped by EU propaganda.

One minute the EU are trying to steal doses of AstraZeneca, then when they can't do that, they tell the people it's no good.

@gnoib Wake up and smell the EU.

 

errmmm....the two are mutually exclusive - contracts (as per contract law) are agreements between two or more parties and in this case for the supply of goods. They have multiple contracts with various entities stipulating contractual terms and conditions including the terms and conditions of delivery to those contracting parties. The demands of the EU are non-contractual thus outside of the contractual sphere and cannot be enforced upon other contracts or contractual parties of Pfizer with whom they have no contractual relationship. The EU can claim a breach of contract or whatever they are claiming and pursue re-dress in a commercial court.
The issue is now one of dirty washing being waved in the wind for everyone to see and makes the politics and stance of the EU look weak and pathetic. In a commercial world you cannot stand up and start making threats like this. Pfizer I would imagine are discussing the case with their lawyers, bankers and insurers whereas the EU are floundering around in front of cameras looking like a bunch of bellends.

 

Them politicos are trying to save their arses.
Nothing new about it
The US cut off Canada, because production in the US was to slow and they had mis-managed procurement.
Well.................

The EU is doing the same.

Big deal.

 

The EU has an outbreak of the SA variant in Austria, given the EU's vaccine roll out; Austria are ****ed.
The problem with the EU is, they cannot be trusted.

Just today the EU Commission had to apologise for their vaccine program.


The EU put itself to shame by trying to compare itself to the UK.

Why rely on the EU when its unreliable?

 

The UK is screwed, too and it is using a vaccine which has 0% effect on the SA virus

South African variant of Covid found in eight areas of England | World news | The Guardian

 

At least the UK has vaccines, and what studies have said AstraZeneca's vaccine isn't a fight against the South African variant?
http://www.pharmafile.com/news/570717/who-backs-astrazeneca-vaccine-against-south-african-variant
Also, who said AstraZeneca was UK's only vaccine?
Does Austria, whom are EU, therefore ****ed, even have any vaccines?
https://www.france24.com/en/health/...used-for-over-65s-and-covid-variants-who-says
At least French media have back tracked their claims they made last week upon the EU's failure to secure supplies of the vaccine.

 

inform your self

 

Likewise.

At least I don't rely on out of date left wing news from 10 days ago.
The Guardian article you linked is out of date, and the articles I've provided are current news.

It's dangerous lies that the EU peddled during their vaccine fiasco that is seeing South Africa not use their supplies.
All claims made by France or Germany last week are not only unproven, but rejected by the WHO.

You linked an article from the 1st of Feburary.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...razeneca-covid-vaccine-for-adults-of-all-ages
Here's what the same media you linked are saying now.

Maybe inform yourself there @gnoib

 

It's reckless and dangerous to buy into unfounded claims made by EU countries in regards to the effectiveness of the AstraZeneca vaccine.
I think those who come out with politically motivated fake news are putting lives at risk.