Oregon promotes teacher program that seeks to undo 'racism in mathematics'

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  1. Collateral Damage

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    In some cases, alternative medicine is all that is necessary. Supporting the idea that pumping synthetic compounds through your body is necessary for the most basic of conditions, is not only dangerous to your body, but some of those side effects can be, um, unpleasant. One that comes to mind is : diarrhea and the inability to control it.

    I'll go alternative to the point that it is not successful. Chiro has taken care of a number of back and neck issues, pain meds were not necessary.
     
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    I'd vote for a populist.

    You know who can't relate to me?

    - An *******
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    I have zero in common with such a person. I have zero friends with those qualities.
     
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    Actually they do. When I was in college I took a class called Error Analysis. We were shown examples of finely engineered projects gone wrong. The thing that needs to be taken into account, is that no matter how perfect your numbers, there is always enough natural variation to throw them all out of whack. I’m mostly an electrical engineer and no matter how careful I go over my calculations, the end results in the physical product can vary wildly. It is because the variability in each component varies, which varies with temperature. In some cases the variability can be averaged out, but in other cases, it takes a trim pot and a little screw driver to fine tune it.
     
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    To be honest, I think that constant thread is the idea that one side is destroying society and is the enemy. We may disagree on many policies and practices, but this laser focus on dividing and demonizing is at the center of it all. It's profitable propaganda.

    I might be wrong, but it seems that many people are reading this thread as trying to teach kids that Math is racist. That is not at all true. The focus of the workshop in the OP is not on what is taught, but how it's taught and how it's learned. It asks teachers to look at how some groups have different life experiences and their values are understood differently, and to consider that the old binge and purge method of learning Math is not working well on those groups. It asks teachers to use more pragmatic approaches that focus on how math knowledge is actually going to be applied to daily life.

    The concept of different types of learners is old. It's called Differentiated Instruction/Learning. The workshop we've been discussing is based on that concept, but for some reason, the presenter has chosen to market it as making teachers aware of how their teaching methods don't differentiate well enough for minority groups have existed in a rather foggy understanding of academics in society(what some consider a White dominated view). I will say that I disagree with using race as a way to frame all this because it's quite provocative and leads us to ignore what I see as much more significant factors central to Education. I suspect we'll have to ride this wave out.
     
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    The OP is based on a misleading story from FOX.

    There was a time when conservatives insisted that charter schools were needed because not everyone learned the same. That one size does not fit all. Yet here, that sentiment is being abandoned. But then the original argument was really just a BS argument in an end around effort to force religion into the public school system.
     
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    Thank you for a stellar post. Literally top quality and well thought out response.
     
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    Just as there are 'advanced' classes and 'remedial' classes, for those who learn at different speeds. The subject matter stays the same.
     
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    Whose story is that. It is not Gibbon's story.

    A truer story is that Greek learning was preserved by the Greeks in Constantinople. The Dark Ages befell the West due to barbarian invaisions but never affected the East. Greek learning returned to the West because Byzantine scholars were fleeing the Turks who sacked Constantinople.

    https://impactofthefallofconstantin...m many books and manuscripts written in Greek.

    The Persians had little impact on the Renaissance because their centers of learning were destroyed a century before by the Mongols. Arab civilization never recovered surviving only in Iberia until the Reconquista.

    But real history doesn't affirm your prejudices, so I don't suppose it makes any difference to you.
     
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    You didn't respond to anything I said. Why did you quote me?
     
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    This is Oregon that we are talking about. The state that was founded on White purity. At times it seems to be going overboard in making amends. There has been a rather large Black Lives Matter movement within the state, even though Oregon has a rather small Black population. But then, I think that the protests were often taken over by anarchists who just like the chaos and disruptions. Oddly though, historically, the people of Oregon have wrecked far more harm on the Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese, than they ever have to Blacks.

    I really don’t know a lot about the educational system in Oregon, as I came from Colorado, to retire in Oregon, where the trees are bigger and more plentiful. Oregon schools seem to have some of the worse outcomes in the country. But then it may be cultural as neighboring Idaho, which is closely linked, culturally, to Eastern Oregon and Eastern Washington, is the least educated state in the country. It is a dichotomy from one end of the state to the other. The industry in the Portland area is dominated by high tech and financial companies that require a highly educated workforce. That educated workforce has mostly been coming from outsiders, which has been putting pressure on Oregon to improve their educational system.
     
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    Yeah, the BLM movement does seem to have been hijacked by several different groups. Seems to be way less homogenous than the News media suggests. Too many outsiders, too many well-meaning Whites who have not yet passed through that wall of idealism, and yes, the anarchists.

    There is no getting around the fact that the environment (home, neighborhood, and social class) has way more to do with academic achievement. The difference can be breath-taking in some cases. Most states have the same basic educational systems that were aligned with Federal requirements going back 30 years or so. Unfortunately, those ideals led to a focus on testing, and that has seriously poisoned the education well, and there has been a relentless push to promote the kinds of workshops mentioned. Again, all well-intentioned, but the idealism doesn't fit well with reality.
     
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    Everyone gets their turn at running the world.
    We did run the world, but by going into isolationism the last 4 yrs, we kinda fell out of being leaders.
     
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    To me, it seems there's a segment of the population that only thinks in binary terms. Up/down. Good/evil.
    So if something is changing or mentions cultures, it can only be because something about it is racist. Even if, race has nothing to do with the topic at all.

    Skin color is treated as racist.
    Different cultures in the world is treated as racist.

    When in reality, there' only 1 race, the human race. Which many ethnics/cultures/skin colors all part of the human race.
     
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    The left is abolishing advanced classes because not enough blacks qualify.
     
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    Yes, we do tend to do that, and that segment of the population is rather large. It's natural for us to think in binary terms. It's called Fast Thinking. There is a time and place for it, but it is a staple of politics and advertising and it's used for personal gain.

    I'm opposed to dividing the world up into races, but it's natural to see others in terms of us and them. We see skin color and other "racial" identifiers. It can't be avoided. If I wanted to point out somebody in a crowd, I could take the time to go through a list of descriptors, or I could just say, "that Oriental guy by the bench." It's fast thinking, and it's made worse when we use it to lump others into racial and ethnic categories filled with prejudices and stereotypes.

    And while I'm opposed to dividing people up by race, I notice that people do that themselves. And even if this was a totally White society, we'd still divide ourselves up by how we vote, our accents, our education, where we live, and our occupations.

    While it can't be helped, we can accept that we do it and become more aware of how and when we do it, and not do it for selfish purposes.
     
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    There’s a lot of pseudo-intellectual garbage on racism and white supremacy in the US at this time. It’s really fashionable to virtue-signal using racism by tying it into as many different issues/topics as possible.

    The stories are a joke, but the headlines make great clickbait. Every one of us, sadly, hit the link.
     
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    The Left prides itself on defending reason, logic and science, will it do so here:
     
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    You said "the military has standards" as if no one else does.

    Or maybe you didn't mean it that way. I am especially oversensitive to military elitism among conservatives.
     
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    I guess politics revolves around law. And law is either guilty or not guilty.
    Or other laws try to weed gray out of it so it can be applied in courts or decision can be made. Again back to guilty or not guilty.
    And when dealing with 300M people, even though there are near infinite gray areas, it has to boil down to simplistic terms.
     
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    So let's graduate engineers who have been taught they don't need to do correct calculations that wrong answers are acceptable. Let's tell medical researchers that their analysis of the data can't be right or wrong and they don't have to worry about doing precision math. Let's tell people who design new aircraft their calculations don't have to be accurate guesses are OK.
     
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    If you assert context is missing then supply it.
     
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    What does that have to do with 2 + 2 = whatever you choose there is no right or wrong answer?
     
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    Tell me when the NASA and SpaceX people are making those thousands of calculations to sent humans to the moon does it require precision math or close enough. That there is no right or wrong answer in the calculations?
     
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    What in hell are you going on about? Certainly nothing I just said.
     
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    I was joking, obviously, lighten up.
     
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