World’s ‘solar and wind capital’ freezing due to snow ‘blanketing millions’ of solar panels

The answer, of course, is to know enough science to be able to evaluate claims.

The "elites?" Who are you talking about? We have to largely stop burning fossil fuels because they're causing global warming.

 

Not at all. Fact remains that wind failure was a greater percentage of wind capacity than gas failure was a percentage of gas capacity.

 

And know where your science is coming from and you're back to global warming now? I thought it was climate change since no one could prove human caused global warming except with "computer simulations" that were routinely shown to have flaws and too much human input.

 

They had shutdown coal and gas for wind power. The coal and gas they have stayed online far past after wind failed and actually increased their production to try and make up for it but the grid was trying to pull more than they could produce and when temps did hit those historic low single digits some gas lines froze.

But hey they announced today they were back up to normal generating levels

"Texas’ power grid is running at normal operations, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas said on a conference call Friday morning.

"We just got the notice from our control room that we have left the last stage of emergency operations, so we are completely back to normal operations," said ERCOT President and CEO Bill Magness. ERCOT manages power for more than 26 million Texans, about 90% of the state’s electric load."
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/texas-power-grid-back-to-normal-ercot

I can't find where they have said what's the mix of power generation or how many wind turbines have serious damage that must be repaired first.

Heck I've been without power for three weeks after Ivan and recently for a week after Sally but that was because the grid was WIPED OUT. Sorry they had to go through it but native Texans are tough people and glad they are back to normal.

 

FORECASTINGHUMOR
Friday Funny: nature makes a mockery of month-ahead model forecasts.
Anthony Watts
Sometimes, you just have to laugh. Earth is a complex system, and forecasting weather events in such a complex system is no easy task due to the built in entropy…

 

You could have saved a lot of space by just posting A SUMMARY PERSPECTIVE.

I actually waded through most of it.

On the surface, it seems like a logical and even handed presentation of the state of understanding at the time.

However, it rapidly became obvious that it was a conclusion in search of a premise.

He’s using a tactic that creationists use, called “teach the controversy”. It’s what you do when your arguments are based solely on manufactured excuses for rejecting the science. The goal is to confuse the general public and create a false impression that the issue is under legitimate debate. It substitutes the appearance of controversy for facts. And since the creationist audience likes their own arguments, you can fundraise off of them, too.

The climate deniers have long used this particular tactic.

Then he went on the breezily dismiss the idea that any renewable power options would even be practical for decades.

(wind power is now the cheapest power, and solar is a close second). And costs are falling, something that isn’t happening with coal, nuclear or gas.

But my favorite was this one:

“However, it is problematic whether battery storage of power forwidespread use will occur within the next few decades.”

This was written approximately ninety days before the first utility scale battery farm went online in Queensland.

Within the next ninety days, the advantages of battery storage were so apparant that plans were drawn to expand the plant.

The plant radically improved the stability of the Queensland grid. It also lowered prices to end users by eliminating the premiums for peak power like the ones that Texas now faces. And it paid its investors back in three years, something that hadn’t happened in the electric power industry in a century.

If this guy was that far off on that........

 

Wouldn't it be antithetical to take the word "CLIMATE" ~ in the context of our globe, & NOT associate it with "change".

Imho... the greatest existential threat to mankind is Bill Gates's Globalistic philosophy & his little worker bees in social media / Monsantos in 3rd world countries ~ you know, all the progressive ilk, lol...

 

As I previously posted, my brother [who wrote the overview] is a climate expert. He is a retired NASA planetary scientist and part of a current climate study group that began as all NASA.

http://archive.vn/ZHWsJ

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These guys?

The Right Climate Stuff
www.therightclimatestuff.com
NASA Climate Change analysis verified by empirical data. CO2 in atmosphere not a problem. Minimal global warming. Fossile fuels are no problem. CO2 is ...
‎TRCS Reports · ‎Contact TRCS Team · ‎Educational Outreach Videos · ‎Conclusions

 

You scored 100% on the demagoguery scale.
The creationism strawman irritates your opponents and adds to the smug self-satisfaction of your friends.
Into the bargain you dodge debate.

 

Speaking of dodging debate...

 

It appears to be.

All I know is what he has told me. His climate study group was originally based in Houston and began as all NASA.

Hal Doiron, Don Bogard, The Right Climate Stuff Team: TRCS is a team of retired Apollo Lunar Program specialists performing their own independent investigation into the man-made and natural global warming issues.

https://www.efn-usa.org/environment...obal-warming-scientists-open-to-some-warming/

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More nonsense.

Wind farms operate in extreme cold just fine if you install the deicing option. There are wind farms in upstate New York that never stop due to winter storms, and those areas see over ten feet of snow. Similar can be said of solar. It's one thing to have to brush snow off a home installation, but massive panel farms in cold climates can use deicing heaters. Texas was warned back in 2011 after a similar winter event, but the state did nothing. They maintained standards for their energy infrastructure that apply to best case conditions only. When Texas has bad weather, their power grid shows just how shortsighted the state was.

Oh, and Texas only gets about a fifth of its electricity from wind. But the state lost near to half it's capacity at the worst point. Thiis is because the fossil fuel power generation is just as incompetently protected from bad weather as the renewables are, in Texas. Oil and gas production failed as pumps and pipelines lack cold weather protection. Natural gas power plants, there's a lot of that in Texas, ran out of gas because cold shutdown unheated, unprotected systems all over the state.

My view on energy is we need "ALL THE ABOVE!". Renewables of all descriptions, fossil fuels of every kind and absolutely we need nuclear of newer designs.

But none of that will matter if power grids are built only for the best weather conditions. Either you plan for nature to do its will, or you see your technology fail for your lack of vision.

 

The Texas Power Grid Failure is More Complicated than Green v. Carbon.

"Wind energy is routinely purchased in bulk for just two cents per kilowatt-hour—and turbines are only getting cheaper, bigger, and better."

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...urces-of-electricity-and-its-getting-cheaper/

That's cheap, but it includes the subsidy reduction. Without the subsidy it's just a hair cheaper than Nat Gas, and Nat Gas is cheaper than coal.

Sensible Regulation.

Warning Signs Missed:

Reserve Margin Costs Must Be Spread Across Generators Balanced Against The Reliabilty Of The Source.

"The second issue is the failure of the rolling blackout system to function properly."

"Critical infrastructure like hospitals and water treatments plants are supposed to be prioritized" with rolling blackouts distributed over other users.

Also, wind provides reliable energy in climates as cold as Texas currently is, but, they have antifreeze features built in and different lubrication methods. This likely will also be an area where they can build in greater reliability.

 

You're going to blame the Liberals for Quebec's problems?

BC (5.1m people) has 75,327 cases and 1,321 deaths
QC (8.5m people) has 280,000 cases and 10,264 deaths​

Quebec generates almost all of its electricity from hydro, way more than other provinces.

 

I'm on the record.

 

Wack-A-Mole

 

It is estimated, why not look it up instead of asking me. Then you could use the figures to bolster your argument beyond just asking me to look at it.
And as I have already stated changing weather is not climate change. Climate change is a trend, an ever increasing temperature average taken from thousands of measurements across the globe over decades.
What you see in the change of weather patterns is the result of that steady warming process. More hot air rising up the back of the Rockies moving the jet stream across at different times of year, Warmer central Atlantic blooms causing more frequent super hurricanes. etc.

To deny global warming you have to claim all the temperature measurements are wrong.
To deny it is man made you have to explain where else the extra heat is coming from.
Do you have a theory?

 

It morphed because idiots thought Global warming meant it will be a bit nicer in summer apart from Africa, and who cares about them.

Global warming is what is happening, climate change is the result.

 

Well we had been considering it and doing nothing for 2 decades before your brother wrote this. How much longer did he suggest we make a measured response? Or maybe the measured response now IS to get on with it.

Some points:

True, but we know the largest contributors by far.

Yes, but they can't keep up. We also now know a lot more about where that heat went and where it is reappearing. He must have known that even back in 2016?

True but ↓

Did he also point out that the greenhouse effect far outweighs the reflection effect?

So we are learning, and the consensus is that waiting to see if the earth copes on its own is not a good idea.

What?
The energy reaching us from the sun is constantly measured and accounted for.
Changes in ocean currents are a result of warming, not a cause. At the very least they provide a feedback loop.
Your brother must know this.
Yes I know they are due to the rotation of the earth, but that hasn't changed

I have never seen a politician claiming a 5 to 8 degree increase in temperature.
Your brother also knows that a lot of the lost decade of warming has been found in the oceanic conveyors which are now bringing that heat back to the surface.

Your brother needs to up date himself, solar and wind energy outputs have proved remarkably stable.

Or excess generation by renewable and better control of usage. In smart versus muscle. Smart always wins.

How does that compare to the cost of doing nothing? The real cost I mean, changes in rainfall, snowfall, wind speed, seasons?
Civilisations around the world have developed according to their climate. The cost of adapting infrastructure and buildings, even moving cities is also measured in the trillions.

I might have agreed with our brother in 2010, but by 2016 that boat had sailed. Wind and solar have proved both safe and reliable.

Well we are doing it in the UK and our economy seems to be surviving it as well as yours. We are up to 33%, and still going strong.

I'm sorry. I don't have the time to read your pages and pages of opinion at this time. And certainly not to address it all.
From a quick perusal it appears to be stating much of what is already widely known by any interested parties, but with the word uncertainty liberally sprinkled into each finding.

 

Oh what a lovely simple world you inhabit.
Best guesses are that the next mini ice age will begin in around 1500 years. Perhaps its a bit early to consider this at the moment.

 

Yes, perhaps the phrase should be Climate change as a result of man made global warming.
But its a bit of a mouthful and is only needed for people deliberately trying to obfuscate. So we'll probably leave it.

 

Yes I do blame the Liberal who let people travel and come back without quarantine. Toronto and Montreal being the two most busy airport in regards to Europe and South America. They also took their time in closing the US Canada borders. The feds mismanaged the pandemic.

 

This amorphous 'attribution' / causality game is something that y'all can always shake a stick at - 'boogeyman' is always in the "climate change" closet & it's not like one side or another can objectively nail down any semblance of fact one way or the other, lol... What we can do is track cyclical patterns through the decades / centuries.

https://spacecityweather.com/looking-back-at-some-previous-historic-houston-cold-snaps/

"So, will 2021 join these memorable cold snaps? Probably. But ultimately, whether it really can join the ranks of a 1989 or 1983 or 1899 will depend on just how cold it gets Tuesday morning."

Err, umm - & why did y'all stop with the 'global warming' verbiage - substituting in 'climate change'... ?