AOC raises money for texas

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    If you think they don't need water you're not keeping up.
     
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    No source?

    I guess it's made up. And you thought that would be evidence.
     
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    Turbines and solar panels resulted in a small percentage of the power problem which means they generate little power even with alot of them and our country is not ready to be dependent on them alone.

    The Democrats need to understand this.
     
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    Wind turbines played a very small part in the Texas power problem. When a jurisdiction chooses not to equip the turbines for cold weather conditions I think a few problems can be expected. Most of the power loss issues were caused by fossil fuel infrastructure freezing up - plants, equipment, instrumentation etc. again because they weren't equipped to handle the cold temperatures. You can bet Texas will be addressing these issues going forward - and it's not like they weren't warned about this years ago, they were - and chose to do nothing.....

    I think you mentioned you lived in Iowa? Did you know 42% of Iowa's electricity is generated by wind power? Iowa, like most jurisdictions who experience cold weather, bought wind turbines equipped to handle the cold temperatures. Just sayin'.....
     
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    She did so only after her new green deal and renewable energy was blamed for the power outages.

    Sounds like a publicity stunt.
     
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    Iowa has over 5,000 wind turbines and that is the only power they can produce?

    Did you know I build wind turbines for a living? The Democrats want us to only have renewable energy but they don't produce enough power. We can't live on them alone.

    In Texas they produce very little power proving my point.
     
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    It's is getting regardless of AOC trying to ride the wave and Cruz is smart enough to not try run down there like the Lone Range to rescue. And I get so sick of seeing politicians getting their photo ops handing out aid.

    Here is what I bet the people of Texas want them to be doing, their JOBS and working with the local officials on what measure can and should be taken to mitigate future cold temps when the wind generated fails when temps just get into the 20' and their smaller fossil generation can't make it all up. And lobby the federal government to get our fracking back on full steam and NG production and transportation improved. I think that can do a LOT more good for Texas.
     
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    And besides, they live in hurricane country like us in Fl. You should have at least a few days provisions at all times. I have plenty of MREs and water.
     
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    If you build wind turbines for a living how could you not possibly know Texas' turbines were not equipped for winter conditions? And Iowa doesn't have "tens of thousands of wind turbines", as of 3rd QTR 2020 there were 5,590 of them in Iowa AND Iowa is a national leader in wind power, generating 42% of their electricity by wind power. Also wind power generates about 24% of Texas' electricity. Christ almighty.....if you build them I'd think you'd know a bit more about their application and what helps them work in different environments.
     
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    It comes from an unnamed whistleblower close to the source speaking on the condition of anonymity, or in Democrat terms IRONCLAD UNIMPEACHABLE FACT.
     
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    I never said they were built for winter conditions in Texas. Don't put words in my mouth.

    I corrected my numbers before you even finished responding. Last I knew Iowa was #4 in the country for wind energy. I know how big it is. Had plenty of politicians come to my plant.

    Since you did not disagree that wind turbines in Texas or anywhere produce very little power I will assume you agree we can't run America on only wind and solar power. If you want only renewables you will need nuclear power too or it won't work.

    I drive by numerous wind turbine fields all the time and yes it feels like we have tens of Thousunds of them. 5,000+ turbines only produce 42% of our power. We can't survive on them alone.
     
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    There was rolling blackouts across the Midwest including Iowa. Texas is not the only state having power problems.
     
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    AOC is not on my list of favorites. I don't doubt her intentions; just her methods.

    This, though, puts a +1 on her scorecard.

    I am also incredibly confused as to why people didn't just put the contents of their freezer outside.

    In Chicago, putting stuff outside was just a normal part of winter. No need to wait for soup to completely cool down before putting it in the fridge. Tie it up and put it outside.

    It's very confusing. Nobody should lose any food in the winter due to power outages.
     
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    Wind turbines were not the cause of this problem. Texas' lack of planning is the issue. They were told to winterize their electrical grid a decade ago. They opted for cheap. Cheap causes things like this to happen.
     
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    Re: Texas turbines, I know you never said they were built for winter, that's the point - I just pointed out they weren't which contributed to problems. I did not agree wind turbines produce little electricity, I'm actually surprised by how much electricity they produce in Texas & Iowa for example. And I never claimed the US can be run on wind / solar or other renewables for that matter, fossil fuels will have a part to play in electricity production for some time to come yet. My problem is with BS being spouted about Texas wind turbines simply to promote an agenda, which is precisely what is happening with the "blame the windmills" crowd regarding Texas' ability to produce electricity. That's it.....

    And on a lighter note, I can understand what you say about seeing the wind turbines in Iowa, it can seem like a lot but in reality, there are only about 60,000 in the US and about 341,000 on the planet. I have learned quite a bit reading about these structures, just amazing technology. In 2019 there were about 23,000 installed globally from about 33 different suppliers - you work in a fascinating industry.
     
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    Politically, it's a smart move which makes it impossible that AOC thought of it.
     
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    I am wondering, how can the green new deal, which exists only on paper, be blamed for the Texas power outages? Only in Trump land....
     
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    It can't. It's more complicated than Fossil vs Renewable.

    Briefly:
    • Wind Power
    Wind Power is incredibly inexpensive power, even unsubsidized it beats Nat Gas and Nat Gas is cheap. And Wind is steadily getting cheaper as turbines get bigger, improve output and use variable speed technology that allows them to generate more power even during shifting wind speeds, but, it's also not as reliable.

    Not as reliable is not a lethal flaw, the way that risk is mitigated is by increasing reserve margin. That's the reserve capacity you can quickly bring online, should parts of the grid fail, should demand suddenly peak.

    Texas, unlike every other state, does not have mandated reserve margins.

    Wind can generate in climates as cold as Texas is now, but, this requires different lubricants and some antifreeze systems that are not currently installed on Texas Turbines - that may be an opportunity area for Texas.

    Texas isn't tied to the national grid. So, the rest of the nation was not able to quickly chip in when they needed us. It might be wise for Texas to consider tieing in, feeding the grid some power when they are rolling, knowing that when hard times hit them, that the rest of the country can help them shoulder the load.

    Rolling Blackouts are supposed to spread power loss evenly, so that everyone gets some power, every day. This gives everyone a chance to take a hot shower, freezers and refrigerators an opportunity to chill down. You can get some laundry done and so forth. What is being communicated is folks without power for nearly a week. Clearly the rolling blackouts, which is supposed to match power use to generation, isn't working as they intended. They'll need to get to the bottom of that.

    In times like these, folks ride their favorite hobby horse into the situation and sometimes that is neither helpful or useful.

    Personally, I'd like to see more utilization of small nuclear power plants like the military uses, but, there may be issues of these becoming terrorism targets. And I don't want to use this situation to jump on my own hobby horse.
     
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    Good for her, they need the help.
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    Is that real? I've never seen a bill for 18 days, nor have I ever seen a bill a day after the meter was read.
     
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    I wondered the same.
     
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    A few turbines froze up because the Texan government didn't winterize them after the last freeze but as a power source their production during this event was actually ABOVE PROJECTIONS so even with the failed turbines, MORE power was generated than expected with all turbines operational. No, natural gas plants failing is what actually caused the blackout and since most of Texas is unconnected to the national grids, they couldn't get power from elsewhere. Western Texas is connected to the national grid and they had only a few thousand homes lose power for an average of just 5 minutes.
     
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    AOC and/or her handlers are shrewd. This is a great PR stunt to damage a Republican who could run for President some day and also deflect from the damage to liberalism from a noteworthy failure of wind power.
     

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