World’s ‘solar and wind capital’ freezing due to snow ‘blanketing millions’ of solar panels

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  1. FreshAir

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    democrats had nothing to do with deregulation in Texas, Republicans trust corps to do the right thing, so they take away all consequences for doing the right thing

    without regulations to weatherize... they don't
     
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    Thank you!

    Via Texas news reports, I learned the South Texas Nuclear Power facility only came on-line towards the end of the crisis. Apparently, that nuclear plant and many other power generating facilities across Texas were not prepared for such a brutal late winter storm [even though weather forecasters had warned us about it two weeks in advance!]

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    It's The :flagcanada: Vortex
    California drought, Freeze The Middle & East
     
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    The joke news are CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, New York Times and the rest of the Government/Media complex owned by the rich.

    Did you bother to read the DOE document linked to on Infowars before commenting? And of course the answer is no.
     
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    So when we know it is coming what shall we do to prevent it as the human caused GCC/GW aficionados believe we can?

    But you said we KNOW now you say we GUESS, which is it?
     
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    I am and in the link I posted the basis for the can be found in the Biden DOE order limiting access to energy at the link I posted. Maybe you should have read the link I posted to before commenting. That or opt not to comment. And WTF does Trump have to do with this. Biden is running the DOE now.
     
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    Sure it's not the other way around or are you just guessing again?
     
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    Ahhh again from we know to we estimate. How well have the estimates from 30 years ago, 20 years ago held up? And when everything is evidence of something then nothing is evidence of that something.
     
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    So, if both historic highs and lows support the man-made global warming theory would any data undermine the theory?
     
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    I don't watch/read those other sources you mentioned either. At least for accurate information.

    But if there are multiple sources drawing the same conclusions, I tend to start believing them as accurate.

    Remember, believe 1/2 of what you see and none of what you hear/read.

    Correct, I didn't click on your link.
    If there was something important, you would've highlighted in the post, yes?
     
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    1. How do you know an expert is highly informed?
    2. How do you know that an expert is credible?
     
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    trump has nothing to do with this, but just like trump does, you point fingers. And never take responsibility for anything.
     
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    A Trump supporter.
     
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    Science is rapidly evolving into a "higher superstition". ;-)
     
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    do you mean isolated ones? Then yes.
    Climate change means that.
    For instance if the jet stream gets moved by rising hot air off the Rockies then it could pull arctic air all the way down to Texas.
    That's why its called climate change. It doesn't have to be a disaster movie, just lots of weather your area wasn't designed for.
     
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    Advanced degrees and positions showing him or her to be a highly trained expert.
    Published, peer-reviewed papers.
    Publishing papers means actively doing research.
    "Peer reviewed" means that many other experts scrutinize his or her work.

    Most people making anti-science arguments on the internet couldn't publish a paper if their lives depended on it. They are just crackpots who are "Holiday Inn experts".
     
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    After El Paso was hit by the fierce freeze back in 2011, they invested in low-temp equipment and prepared.

    They rode through this freeze without missing a step. Their power plant workers were working around the clock but they never lost power.
     
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    You have been disinformed. In fact, scientists, like most human beings, lie like rugs. Google: "replication crisis".

    "Can’t take criticism? Just make up your own reviews! It may sound far-fetched, but we’ve now counted more than 270 retractions, more than half of them this year, which occurred because authors or editors compromised the peer-review process in some way—most egregiously, some authors faked email addresses for peer reviewers and gave their own papers a green light."
    THE SCIENTIST, The Top 10 Retractions of 2015, A look at this year’s most memorable retractions, By Retraction Watch | December 23, 2015.
    https://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/44895/title/The-Top-10-Retractions-of-2015/
     
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    Failing to properly prepare is an error that can be fixed in the future. I'd like to see Texas do 3 things:
    1. Extensively winterize all their systems: Wind, Nuclear, Hydro and Nat Gas
      1. I don't know how you winterize solar and note that of your 6 power sources, coal had no winterizing difficulties. I'd keep that in mind, and keep that as part of your mix to anchor your winter strategy.
    2. Mandate Energy Margins. Texas in the only state that does not require a constant production of excess energy that can be tapped in order to deal with other producers shutting own or demand peaking. This is generally unused production, so it raises overall costs, but it provides a safety margin. It's insurance and insurance isn't free. I'd subtract the cost from the wholesale price, based on reliability, that is, less reliable power is discounted. Coal, seems to be rock steady, so that wouldn't be discounted. If wind is only reliable 80% of the time, then it should be discounted by 20%. With more variable speed technology and winterization, it should be reliable a greater percent of the time, and so would be discounted by a smaller amount. Same with nuclear and the Nat Gas well heads that froze. Wind keeps getting cheaper and cheaper in Texas, this seems like a good source for you folks, I'd just work on improving it's reliability.
    3. I'd like to see Texas tie into the national grid. When you don't need us, you can bleed the excess production you maintain for stability, into the national grid at a cheap price that benefits us, and when the crap hits the fan, like it did this week, the rest of the nation can pump power to the Lone Star State. We don't want to see any Americans going through what you just went through. Ideally, we have a national grid where any generator, at any point in the grid, can add input, and it can be used by anyone else in the nation. CA constantly needs help the summer, especially in the summer fire season that reduces solar output, but their winter weather is mild, Hydro, Wind, Solar and the rest of their mix humps along fine in the winter with plenty of spare capacity that could help out their neighbors.
    I'm certain we can all work together and do a much better job on this.

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    Watched a few episodes of The Weather Channel's "Ice Pilots". A very small air cargo company operating around Great Slave Lake is able to get frozen DC-3s warmed up enough to fly in -30F and below.

    But they probably do not have corrupt politicians and bureaucrats on their management team. ;-)
     
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    DENIER! ;-)
     
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    Feel The Bern!

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    More of a religion
    The :pray: Science :worship: Faithful

    I mean how y'gonna discuss anything controversial
    with a "scientist say" mind.


    Remember Cholesterol Theory and Low Cholesterol Diets
    creating a generation of type 2 Diabetics.
    In the eighties I use to precipitously improve a
    patients blood fats & diabetes indicators with "Atkins".
    All very basic science, no theory involved.
    YOU are cholesterol but, Atkins promotes its' excretion
    WELL Wow did I have good lab responses as well
    as anger from resistant & improved patients who
    held it against me that why only I "know" while "They say".

    Sometimes I pointed out how much effort it took me
    to deprogram them from their "They say", as opposed
    to simply handing them a Low Cholesterol Diet paper
    Not that the paper is useful or effective.
    But, it gets me off the hook. Deliver the expected.




    Over 80% of "us" know
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/can-they-be-trusted.513616/


    Moi
    :oldman:


    Remember the wonderfulness of :pray: Science :worship:
    is that it feeds on change. :rolleyes:
    Even if "they" get it wrong.
    Blame :flagcanada:
     
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    I am a scientist and you have no idea what you are talking about.

    That's the purpose of peer review. Clearly it is working just fine.

    There are typically a couple of million publications each year. What you cited is a fraction of one percent - about 0.14%. So if we assume twice that for the year, we have a whopping one-quarter of one percent - 0.25%.

    Leave the science to scientists. You aren't willing to put in the twelve to fifteen years it takes in advanced studies to become an expert, and you have no logical justification to play pretend scientist.
     
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    If you think F. Legault is a conservative you don’t know him very much.

    Quebec and Ontario are the biggest and most populous provinces. We’re also the entry point for Europe as I said previously and while the feds restricted travel from Asia, they took their sweet time closing up the European travels and more importantly, the USA borders as to not impact the flow of commerce and Canadian travellers.

    and finally, BC is quite unique in the fact that the health director is in authority to call the shots where as everywhere else that position is third in line.
     

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