Will we ever go back to normal?

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Moriah, Feb 14, 2021.

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Will we ever go back to normal, pre-coronavirus days?

  1. Yes, it's just a matter of time.

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  2. No, this is our new normal.

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  1. Big Richard

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    Not here in Michigan. We got crazy ass libs running this state and have us in their Nazi like grip. She’s not gonna give up her power over the people.
     
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    I wonder if not doing things like shaking hands, etc, would actually end up shooting us in the foot. Will we reduce our exposure to germs to the point where our immune systems become weak from lack of "exercise"?. Or will evolution cause viruses to spread in ways that overcome our new norms, becoming even worse than before? I have no idea, and do not know much about viruses, etc.. Maybe these ideas are ridiculous. I'm just speculating.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Move to Wisconsin. You need a boatload of cheese to go with that whine!

    :bye:

    (Kidding!)
     
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    I'm certainly no expert either, but I think we are exposed to all kinds of germs without shaking hands and hugging.
     
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    Totally agree with you except what you are describing(Fascism) is entirely 100% right wing. While there is plenty of blame to go around 80% of the attempts to use this for statist control is coming from the democrats.
     
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  6. Pollycy

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    Although Trump was not really "my guy", primarily because of weird gyrations and contortions he inflicted on the ECONOMY in order to curry favor with stock market gamblers, I very much doubt that he saw anything in this 'virus' thing that he ENJOYED -- at all! :roll:

    Time-travel back to the end of January 2020. Trump has just been acquitted of the laughably ridiculous charges brought against him by the Democrat-dominated House of Reps. Now, he's got a clear path to victory in the November election, and to take him over the top, he's aiming at having the almighty-god stock market at over 40,000 (or more). Oh, but THEN ALONG COMES THE VIRUS... right? Son-of-a-gun! How ABOUT that...? :omg:

    All of a sudden, the Democrats could sit back, and with the help of their stooges in the hyperliberal "news" media, blame the whole thing on TRUMP! The precious stock market (which was already horribly overvalued) dives down to a point approaching TRUE value, and all hell broke loose.

    Sure, along came the Federal Reserve central bank to 'print' lots of imaginary money and pump up the stock market to the point it had been at before the 'virus' onslaught, but Trump's own blunders, plus all that turbulence -- along with all the "racial" insanity that swept the country -- destabilized his campaign, and the rest of the story you know....

    Now we'll have four years of "Socialism-lite" with 'Obama 2.0'. We'll sink down further toward eventual insolvency and our National Debt-versus-GDP ratio will be even worse than the 107% it is right now! Hint: top economists agree that 77% is the 'tipping-point' to a lethally-sick economy that almost never recovers....
     
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  7. Sleep Monster

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    Which is what our immune systems are for.

    Viruses aside, I often think that we sterilize too much, denying our immune system the exercixe it needs, thereby making it weaker, not stronger. That's just my own hypothesis, not from any research, but it seems logical.
     
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    Nice fantasy.

    You claim you're not a Trumpster, then you dismiss his blatant and egregious dealings with the Ukrainian president as "laughably ridiculous." Methinks that Pollycy doth protest too much.

    It has been proven beyond a doubt, by Trump's own words on an aidio recording, that he knew this virus was going to be a nightmare for all of us, and stated blatantly that his plan was to "play it down" because the economy was much more important for his reelection chances. Do you not care how many thousands could have been saved from a horrendous slow death if he had issued mask mandates? Or worn one himself in order to set a good example for his own supporters? Or refrained from his endles ego-boosting rallies where maskless MAGA folks crowded in and exposed each other to possible death? I could go on, but I think you already know this.

    Instead, you post statements like the above, about how Democrats "blame the whole thing on TRUMP!" No one ever said the virus was Trump's fault, but his and his administration's inept and incompetent handling of the crisis is, in fact, on Trump's shoulders.

    In keeping with the right wing rhetoric, you dismiss anger over the brutal killing of a black man by police as racial insanity, and why, exactly, did you put the word racial into quotes?

    How did the protests destabilize Trump's campaign? They didn't destabilize Biden's campaign. Could it be due to the fact that most people know Trump for the racist he's always been?

    There were so many things Trump could have done last year that would have been easy even for him, and resulted in him looking like a big damn hero, but he would have had to compromise his own ego, and he simply can't do that.

    And if the Biden administration is "Obama 2.0" where's the harm? Obama was far from perfect, but the economy, the job market and our interactions with the rest of the world were all gradually improving under his watch, and he didn't spend so much of his time in self-aggrandizement. Then there are the tens of rpthousands of kies Trump told, nearly every time he opened his cake hole. Any tally of Biden's lies so far? Any scandalous behavior yet? Because Trump was already on a roll by this time four years ago.
     
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    We're going to wear masks a lot more, about as much as the East Asians do. We will get a new vaccine annually and actually TAKE it. Big crowd events will return slowly but they were going out anyway. You might see the end of beaches but a possible benefit there is I believe we could see actual nudity becoming the new mall fashion in the next decade.
     
  10. Pollycy

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    What made the Democrats' first attempt to impeach-and-remove Trump such a joke was that they drew up two Articles of Impeachment -- neither of which even listed a crime. :spin:. :lol: . If I were going to try to 'hang' some 'hi-vi' personality, I'd at least bother to find reasons that half the country wouldn't sneer and laugh at.... Oh, BTW, the Biden Family Syndicate was so 'artless' that nobody even bothered to deny the big 'fun' they were having in Ukraine. Do we really have to rehash all that about Hunter and his 'Daddy' over there again...?

    Next -- "RACISM"... everybody's favorite "bug-a-boo" topic! :cynic: Pretty simple, actually. First, a disclaimer -- the policeman who is accused of causing the death of George Floyd has been fired, charged with a crime, and will face a trial -- and that is a good thing!

    Now -- go back no further than last year and you can easily see why the police to had to get involved with criminal creeps like George Floyd, Rayshard Brooks, Kenneth Walker (Breonna Taylor's boyfriend), Jacob Blake, and others, going all the way back to Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. They had criminal records, and had committed new acts that required police intervention! And yet BLM/ANTIFA/NFAC curse the entire White population of the United States of America because of a mythical "systemic racism" because these people, who were breaking the law, were dealt with harshly when they fought the police and/or violently resisted arrest. But to America-hating radical Democrats, they're HEROES...(?)

    On to Trump and the economy -- Trump, like Obama and "W" Bush before him, was little more than a functionary hand-puppet for the Federal Reserve central bank. Under Trump and the other two, we crushed interest rates at a time when demand for CASH was paramount, we debased our currency by letting the 'Fed' run wild with its ability to create endless amounts of imaginary money, and Wall Street loved every damned minute of it -- and still does!

    The stock markets are all stupidly overvalued now, and with no end in sight. Oh, and I hate to burst your 'bubble' about the enticing possibilities for 'Obama 2.0', but in all likelihood, nobody in the Biden/Harris regime is going to do to bring this 'fraud-balloon' down to Earth. This became crystal-clear when Biden made his first cabinet appointment that of former Fed Chairman, JANET YELLEN, as the damned TREASURY SECRETARY! Does the phrase, "Fox in the Hen House" convey any meaning to you...?

    Anyway, you can believe me or not. I did like a number of things Trump did, and didn't like several others at all!

    But Biden/Harris? I wish I could say that I see even one (ONE) thing that will be better for American citizen taxpayers as a result of either of THOSE two hucksters being in office. But, what the hell -- an strange combination of stock market gamblers and handout welfare parasites will be overjoyed for the next four years... a "BEGGARS BANQUET"

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    I haven't been restricted from travel or forced to mask or publicly shamed for not doing whatever the rest of you people are so wound up over. If you believe that what people are experiencing in MI, NY, WA, or OR is justified then I'd say it's definitely your ilk that is living in fear and anger. That's a lousy waste of life, IMO.
     
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    I only wear a mask when I am working (I like my job.) or if I am on someone's property and they insist. If a store employee insists, I either wear a mask or shop elsewhere. I know of local restaurants where nobody wears a mask and the place is packed.
     
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    Did the 1918 Spanish flu let the world return to normal?
     
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    Don't be scared.
    That's not going to happen.
     
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    I agree with @Pants. We have constant contact with inanimate objects all the time so there is no "escaping" germs. Fortunately, MOST of them don't kill us and our immune systems get stronger with the exposure. However, I still think it's a bit silly for people to lick toilet seats.
     
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    Go outside. Play in the dirt.
    You will get alot of the antibiotics needed to ward off many viruses.

    Don't use sanitizer religiously. We need the bacteria in our system.
     
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    Having grown up with "You have to eat a peck of dirt before you die", I concur. But I don't include random hand shaking in that category. Especially during cold and flu season, it really is ridiculous.
     
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    I think we will be part of a new normal.
     
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    Stopped at your first paragraph.

    Since you don't seem to know the difference between criminal indictments and articles of impeachment, this discussion is useless.
     
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    Can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. These hyperliberal "blind mice"...see how they run... see how they run....

    There were no CRIMES listed in either Article of Impeachment. What a Democrat FLOP! :icon_picknose:
     
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    Like I said . . .

    Get back to me when you've learned why the first articles of impeachment against Trump were charges that are not in any criminal code.
     
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    Thank you. Yes, agree... those rabid Democrats just hurriedly threw together some crap that didn't even enumerate CRIMES. It's "high CRIMES and misdemeanors"... remember...? :applause:
     
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    Ah, that explains it. It's the term "high crimes and misdemeanors" that you're having trouble with. Allow me to help.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...crimes-and-misdemeanors-actually-mean/600343/

    The most pertinent points:

    "Taken at face value, the words seem to say that impeachable conduct is limited to “crimes”—offenses defined by criminal statutes and punishable in criminal courts."

    "But this is not, in fact, what the Constitution requires. “High crimes and misdemeanors” is not, and has never been, limited to indictable criminality."

    The article goes on to discuss the very impeachment we're discussing. It's a good article, from a proven reliable source. I hope you read it.

    You may also want to consider the remote possibility that congress critters know more about the process than you or I. Just sayin'.
     
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    Your helpful rationalization notwithstanding, the Constitution says what it says. It's a nice, simple, clear, clean document that delineates the powers and limitations for each of the three branches of government -- and the 10th Amendment reserves EVERYTHING else to the individual states!

    Lincoln essentially destroyed the 10th Amendment, but that is a discussion for another thread....

    In the case of the 1st impeachment of Trump, you postulate that a president can be impeached even with 'Articles' which do not enumerate a 'crime or misdemeanor'. Why, then, doesn't the Constitution bear that opinion out in WRITING?

    You're surely right that the "Congress critters" think they know more about their arcane 'processes' than we commoners, but, poorly-educated though we Americans have become, most of us still can recognize manipulative, ad hoc political bullshit when we see it....
     
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    I don't know. But I don't think Covid will go away. We haven't conquered any of the other corona viruses like flu or the common cold. They return seasonally and I can't imagine why Covid will be any different. We will return to normality when we make a decision to do so.

    I've already made that decision but most of the rest of the country has not. The best we can do right now is stop the business closings - immediately and completely. Let people make their own decisions about where to go. It won't make matter worse and it will improve attitudes from coast to coast.
     

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