Courage Is Needed In D.C.

It's not ideal but they can't do those things if they are strung up in the "Towne Square" can they?

 

It is most certainly true.
It happens in every organization. Be is a sports team, a business, or a gov't.

 

So, if it tends to happen in every organization the analogue here would be it happened inside the admin, not throughout the whole nation. One could certainly argue the admin (Barr, Pompeo, Meadows, Redfield) took on the same self-serving, morally ambiguous positions he held.

 

The insurrection is a clue that it happened in the nation.
Certainly not the whole nation. But the country is/was the most divided since civil war.

That was a character of the previous 4 yrs.
Actually, the last 30 yrs. But the last 4 is when action was taken.

 

Yep especially since Mexico did not pay for it like the Donnie said they would.

 

Actually, the GOP establishment is heading the way of the dinosaur. The GOPe loves to claim to be "leading" the GOP, but, if no one is following, they aren't "leading" they are in it for the graft. Trump may very well run for a House Seat and then ascend to the Speakership.

GOP "Leadership" crapping themselves at the prospect.​

This prospect was driving force behind the ridiculous hail mary attempt to impeach the former President in order to assure that he could not become Speaker of the House.

From Townhall:

According to the poll, "half of those polled said the Party should become “more loyal to Trump,” even if it meant losing establishment Republicans. Only one in five said the party should become less loyal to Trump and more like establishment Republicans."

 

It's a sign of the times--the implosion of the federal government is near.

The courageous politicians are few and far between. Russ Feingold comes to mind. Cynthia McKinney too.

The system crushes the good individuals.

 

Ted Budd did it weeks ago https://budd.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=1041

 

and the border wall would have never been erected if it weren't for democrats lousy immigration policies. still, the same people who preached "build walls not bridges" now have walls everywhere. SAD!

now repeat after me "THAT'S HYPOCRISY"

 

That I believe. With all the negative attacks from the parties on the other parties, portraying the other party as the most evil party ought to destroy this nation in search for votes, it's no wonder we have entered our modern political era of polarization, the great divide and mega, ultra high partisanship.

The rhetoric, the negativity the evil portrayal of folks with different ideas, political ideology has built up to a point where those who spout all this negativity and portray the other party as the epitome of evil out to destroy us are now themselves afraid and fear for their lives. I always said Trump wasn't the cause of all of this, he was an end result. There will be more like him to come from both parties I fear.

That is until the leaders of both parties realize it's okay to having a different point of view. A different political ideology, a different view of the world. If the leaders of both parties would get back to substance, to new ideas, visions of the future, possible solutions to our problems instead of using the divide and conquer strategy, of pitting one group of voters against another, of making enemies of the other party, of having their followers, their party affiliates and party members believe the other party is the worst scumbags in the universe out to destroy that universe only because they have different ideas and a different political philosophy. It's our elected officials and both party leaders that lead us into this modern era of polarization, divisiveness and mega, ultra partisanship where if one doesn't think in lockstep with one or the other party, they're public enemy number one. Mark my word, there'll be more violence, more need for the national guard, more need for barriers as long as the rhetoric from both sides continue.

The cause for all of this rest squarely on our elected officials and party leaders. Their followers and fellow party member truly believe the other party is out to destroy this nation today. It's been ingrained into their brains for 25-30 years now through all the rhetoric and strategy used to try to obtain vote through hate the other guy and party. Now we're seeing the consequences.

 

The partisanship only stops when the lies stop. The lies won't stop until the RW media loses their grip over probably about 2/3 of conservatives, who eat up their disinformation.

I am not saying the left is innocent, but the main vitriol is currently coming from the RW media.

 

Is this guy courageous enough for ya?

U.S. District Judge James Robart was hit with so many credible death threats after temporarily blocking ex-President Donald Trump’s “Muslim travel ban” in 2017 that U.S. marshals had to be stationed at his home after his address was posted online.

Robart told “60 Minutes” in a pre-taped interview on Sunday that the threats started pouring in after Trump dragged him on Twitter over his decision, calling him a “so-called judge” who “put our country in such peril.”

“People took that as somehow I was giving permission for their families to be endangered. And then the tone for a number of the messages turned into ‘you must be stopped,'” the judge said.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/...-trumps-muslim-ban-slammed-with-death-threats

 

What's needed in D.C. ISN'T courage but an enema.

 

Fences in D.C. do work in that they keep Joe from wandering off...

 

I think gingrich was one of the 1st to go party above all else?

 

What he said. Yeah...come on Rand Paul.....really? Where are you? You are supposed to be libertarian. and yet you stay silent. It makes D.C. look very guilty. But we know now they are all cowards and only care for their rear ends where their pocket books are.

 

Isn't it odd, how everyone has forgot blm and antifa with ropes around statutes right in front of capitol, setting fires, taunting and throwing things at police. President Trump actually went to his bunker, on advice from secret service. Did President Trump even think of putting up a wall around the capitol? No, he just cared about keeping unwanted, illegal aliens out of America. That was the wall he built, and of course Joebama stopped it. When you really think about it, it is hard to believe this is going on in America. Both parties are to blame.

 

Gingrich had his contract with America, but he was also willing to work with Bill Clinton behind closed doors. Bill Clinton did get a lot accomplished in his last six years even though the Republicans controlled both chambers of congress. A lot of that had to do with Bill using trianglelation.

But it didn't take long for the die hard Republicans, call them party firsters, to get rid of Gingrich in favor of Hastert. It was the Hastert rule that may have been the beginning. The principle first and foremost the GOP has exhibited ever since. No compromise even if that mean getting nothing when all you had to do is give the other party 10% or 20%. We had a reprieve after 9-11, but it didn't last long.

This is an old article, poll from Gallup, but I think it is still accurate today and perhaps more so as it now seems both major parties have dug trenches and won't budge. Each wants to go it alone and each wants to stop 100% of the the other party's agenda, ideas and proposals.

Americans Favor Compromise to Get Things Done in Washington

https://news.gallup.com/poll/220265/americans-favor-compromise-things-done-washington.aspx

 

Cinton and Gingrich also didn't have to deal with a Congress that was gerrymandered to a point where politicians running in their districts did not have to fear the political opposition anymore, but rather the primary challenge from the own party. This has led to an increasing polarization of Congress (House) to represent the extremes, rather than the center. If you want to win primaries, compromise is a dirty word. The races are won by who is most successful in riling up the base. While it is not as extreme in the Senate, the polarization permeates up from the House. All of this is not good for people who try to work across the aisle. Now, with the GOP having won a lot of down-ballot races in 2020, the gerrymandering will get even worse. Mark my words.

As to the poll you quote: Maybe Americans say that they want compromise when they answer the polls. However, when they vote in the primaries, they go for the extremes.

 

Yes - we certainly don't want to impede people as they enter the country illegally.

 

Democrats seek acquiescence, not compromise.

 

Wait...
We didn't have gerrymandering prior to 2000?
Wut?

 

I'm sure gerrymandering had something to do with it. So too is closed primaries where only the die hards vote. Yes, in 1994 we had a good mix of Republicans, moderate to very conservative who won that year. But since then we had three wave elections which those who won were either very liberal or very conservative ideologues. 2006 saw 33 seats switch, most of the Republicans who lost were in the moderate column, they lost to very liberal democrats which today we call progressives. In 2010 the reverse happen, of the 63 seats the Democrats lost, 53 were held by what we called, Blue Dog Democrats which now has become nearly extinct. They were replaced by hard line conservatives. 2018 was another wave election where the Democrats picked up 43 seats, quite a lot of very liberal, progressives were among those winners over what was left of moderate Republicans.

So the ideological divide in congress is huge. We've had more straight party line votes in congress since 2006 than we probably had in history prior to that year. Everything is party line. Then too, the party leaders in both chambers have been party firsters beginning with Hastert.

That wasn't the case when the senate for example had leaders like Lott and Daschle, Mitchell and Dole, even Byrd and Baker. They all respected each other and would work together. Not anymore. They and for the most both parties back then realized both parties had the same goal, a secure, free and prosperous America. The path to getting there was a bit different, for sure. Today, the only goal of the leaders of both parties and the parties themselves is to win election and destroy at all cost the opposing party.

 

A unique choice of words.

 

Anyone in the public eye gets a certain amount of death threats. What does it say about many of our lawmakers that they think they need military troops and razor wire to keep the populace who elected them, those that they are supposed to be serving, from killing them? And that there is enough of these dissatisfied folks to do it?