Per my ex: Global warming is a hoax and a money making scam

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  1. bringiton

    bringiton Well-Known Member

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    Indeed. They are rising at the same rate they have been for hundreds of years. So, in what you are no doubt pleased to call your "mind," whatever factors caused them to rise hundreds of years ago are somehow no longer operative, and the continuation of the previous rate of rise can somehow only be explained by increased CO2.

    See? Anti-science.
     
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    Hm, who am I going to trust, basic science or your second-hand conspiracy theory reports about your ex? Tough choice. Does she know where Elvis and Sasquatch are hiding, too? Oh, I'll bet she was the one who faked Obama's birth certificate, right?
     
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    There is nothing in basic science to support the anti-fossil-fuel scare narrative, which is reliant on absurd contrivances that defy known principles of scientific analysis.
     
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    You can argue about the extent, but there's no real scientific doubt that man-made greenhouse gases are contributing significantly to climate change. Which is why scientists always provide piles of evidence when I ask and why the fringe conspiracy folks produce nothing but . . . well, fringe conspiracy garbage.
     
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    Never has a more convincing argument been made against science than, "My ex-wife says ...".


    WTF, people. Just plain old WTF.
     
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    Now all that's missing is the explanation of how that skyrocketing CO2 will cause global catastrophe rather than just faster plant growth and greater agricultural productivity, given that it hasn't yet got us even to the temperatures of previous interglacial periods when CO2 was 1/3 lower than it is today.
     
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    Correct: they are contributing a modest but significant improvement -- perhaps +0.3C -- to the earth's climate.
    I don't know whom you are asking, but scientists who dissent from the anti-fossil-fuel scare narrative are not fringe conspiracy folks, and they have produced plenty of peer-reviewed research showing the gaping scientific holes in the officially approved CO2-governs-temperature nonscience.
     
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    Correct. Which means the apocalyptic scare narrative is dishonest nonscience.
    That is nothing but absurd, anti-scientific scaremongering with no basis in fact. Periods of warm global climate were called, "optimums" before that term was ruled politically incorrect.
    Garbage. The anti-fossil-fuel scare narrative is nothing but a disingenuous distraction from the real problems we face, and their real solutions. The naivety of the left's wholesale adoption of this silliness at the expense of focus on genuine progressive issues is breathtaking and appalling. They have been played masterfully, and are consequently going to have enough egg on their faces to supply Sunday brunch at the Sands. Take it to the bank.
     
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    A rise in global average temperatures is not an "improvement." Yes, they are fringe conspiracy folks. The peer reviewed research regarding this is universal. No one claims that CO2 is the only thing governing temperature. The (proven) claim is that man-contributed CO2 and other greenhouse gases are the primary drivers of the current warming trend.
     
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    Silliness with no basis in scientific fact.
    No, much cheaper to ignore silly scaremongering about an apocalypse that is moving so slowly it stopped.
     
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    Yes it most certainly is, at least up to the level of typical interglacial maxima.
    No, that claim is just baldly false.
    That's also just baldly false.
    But they claim, quite falsely, that it is the principal thing when it clearly isn't.
    That claim has most certainly not been proven; it is pure conjecture, and not very well founded conjecture at that.
     
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    Once again, when I talk to scientifically literate people about this, they provide sources and rational arguments. The conspiracy theorists provide nothing. I'll trust the scientists. Sorry.
     
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    Right. As I, Jack, tommy, and others here do.
    Except the climategate emails, the unedited IPCC reports, etc....
    But not the scientists who dissent from the anti-fossil-fuel scare narrative?

    Somehow, I kinda figured it'd be something like that...
     
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    I've looked for peer reviewed research to the contrary for years. I've found practically nothing. Most are based (as with your CO2 claim) on complete straw men. The physicists I've talked to provided evidence when I ask: evidence of the warming trend, evidence that the greenhouse effect is the cause, evidence that man-produced gasses are the primary "new" addition to this effect, etc.
     
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    Smart smart smart smart, smart smart smart!

    People have have been retreating from receding coastlines since there have been people. Usually it's a good thing. New vistas and all that.
     
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    Prove that, please. Let's see your sources.
     
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    Again, sources, please.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Since I don't believe in the first "coming," no.
     
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    Sea levels are rising at an accelerated pace. Or are all of the people in these organizations lying?

    https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2680/new-study-finds-sea-level-rise-accelerating/

    "The rate of global sea level rise has been accelerating in recent decades, rather than increasing steadily, according to a new study based on 25 years of NASA and European satellite data."

    https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-sea-level

    "Global mean sea level has risen about 8–9 inches (21–24 centimeters) since 1880, with about a third of that coming in just the last two and a half decades."

    This one explains, in simple layman's terms for non-scientists like me, how they measure sea levels:

    https://www.carbonbrief.org/global-...ting-30-years-earlier-than-previously-thought

    If you have valid scientific sources to disprove any of this, or cast doubt on any of the scientists and organizations that produces these reports, please share. Like your user name says, bring it on.
     
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    This is a claim about a problem with certain government contracts.

    Yet, you are claiming it as a reason to doubt climate change!!!

    Let's insert a tiny bit of logic here, and maybe some honesty, too.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You keep dismisding my opinions as garbage, silliness, or bunk, but you've yet to back up any of your own.

    Got links? I do.

    https://www.brookings.edu/research/...onomics-of-climate-change-and-climate-policy/

    Skip to the bottom of the above to find a list of specific facts about the costs of doing nothing.

    There's a nice graphic just a little way down the page:

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/climate-change-costs-us-economy-billions-report

    Be sure to read the last paragraph in this one:

    https://yaleclimateconnections.org/...-climate-change-impacts-often-underestimated/

    Like that old mechanic's joke/admonition, you can pay now, or you can pay much more later.

    I've shown you mine. Your turn.
     
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    Absolutely.

    Nobody has EVER made that claim.

    And, there is FAR too much "stuff like that".
     
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    The facts of climate change have NOTHING to do with Al Gore.

    And, science clearly shows you are wrong about your "thousands of years" hypothesis. There ARE cycles of that length, but implying that it takes that long for climate change to have a serious impact on our wellbeing is just plain false.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Notice how he or she is snarkily pissing on the knowledge and opinions of others, but provides no substance?

    I learned a new word today (dontcha love learning new words?): ultracrepidarian. It describes many users on this forum.

    ul·tra·crep·i·dar·i·an ( /ˌəltrəkrepəˈderēən/ ), adjective
    1. expressing opinions on matters outside the scope of one's knowledge or expertise.
      “Dad, how do we know the universe is expanding?” inquires your six-year-old. Try answering that without resorting to an ultracrepidarian trick here or there"
    noun
    1. a person who expresses opinions on matters outside the scope of their knowledge or expertise.
      "most patients are ultracrepidarians when it comes to medicine"

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutor,_ne_ultra_crepidam
     
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    He heh heh ... when I retired a few years ago, I moved from Huntington Beach, CA to the high country of Colorado. I miss the nice weather and the marine layer, but the mountains are beautiful.
     

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