Officials with ties to Biden have reportedly been meeting with Iran to ‘undermine’ Trump

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  1. Egoboy

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    Iran is not good and America is not bad.

    The JCPOA was good (enough) and T**** unilaterally breaking it was bad...

    That's the equation here...
     
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    This is a "non-story". How could Kerry or ANYONE who was not part of the Trump admin have ANY negotiating power ? Nothing they say will be accepted by the Trump admin, and they have no power to make any of it happen for Tehran, and the entirety of the Iranian political system knew that

    This is just more right wing whataboutism and deflection from their own failures
     
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    More like watch it happen over and over. The man forgets his kids names, forgets his name, forgets what office he held, what office he was running for. Look, he has a problem, it presents itself regularly, and its sad because as we all decline its likely to happen to any of us. We can only hope his staff is on top of things and I think they are. They rarely let him talk and when they do, and he gets in trouble, hes quickly removed from the situation. I have no doubt that our military commanders have been briefed and have had discussions on how to handle things in a crisis.
     
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    Yup!
     
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    And "taking the word of a Russian KGB Scum colonel over our America Intel agencies is just fine in the minds of Trumpocity supporters . How fornicating sick is that behavior!
     
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    The end justifies the means. Makes one wonder if stealing an election fits the description of being patriotic because - afterall the good of the Country was at stake.
     
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    Yeah time to give them some more money. Let's give reparations to all our enemies because it is something Trump would never do.
     
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    You have forgotten about Michael Flynn?
     
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    We know what they said when Flynn mere advised the Russian Ambassador that Russia should not over react. But you see Logan Act violations are OK if you are a Democrat.
     
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    Oh so you are admitting Biden and the Dems are friendly forces for Iran. "nuff said. It is against the law for private citizens to conduct foreign policy or try to undermine the foreign policy of the United States. And as an American I could care less what those countries thought in their own self interest because it certainly wasn't in mine. The fact is the western alliance was even strong with Trump's insistence the other countries strengthen their own defenses and play a bigger role in their own defense. And Russia had no relation with Trump and he was certainly no friend to them. It is Biden who is already bowing down to them and China and bending over for Europe again.
     
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    So the Murdoch rag rambles on with a unnamed source and no corroboration from any other valid source an anti-democrat/Biden story.

    A "conclusion" based on supposition.

    Gee, must be gospel truth! :rolleyes:
     
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    The only thing he didn't forget was how to beat a 2X impeached incumbent president.
    In poker they call it full tilt.
     
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    Ah so you think Pres Biden won? I think Pres Trump lost. What I mean is I think Pres Trump and the GOP gave away their win with their anti-masking anti-shutdown COVID antics. I think had it not been for this pandemic, and the belligerent way Republicans responded to it, that we'd be in Trump term #2 right now.
     
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    The election was not stolen and Trump's own people said so repeatedly.

    The only attempt to steal an election, to place a despot into power, was done by Trump.

    I care not at all how a despot, an authoritarian is defeated.Liberty was under assault by the Trump movement, in some respects it still is. But at that critical moment on January 6th, his followers discovered Trump has not the courage to put behind his words.

    I shudder to think the bloody fight we would have been in had Trump any actual leadership ability or the guts he so often falsely claims to possess. Instead of being a charismatic cult leader with a broad streak of yellow down his back.
     
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    It is true of every first term President that their second term is theirs to win or lose. There is a massive advantage to being the incumbent. In order to lose, the incumbent must make a series of truly insipid mistakes.

    A description that fits Trump to a Golf Tee.

    And yes, massive numbers of dead Americans surely is the greatest of Trump's failures.
     
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    Keep telling yourself that, over and over and over and over and over.

    Did you know that the sound from windmills causes cancer. That the best way to prevent forest fires is to rake the forests so that there is nothing to burn. A year ago, there was a raging pandemic in China. You may not of heard of it because at the time there where only 15 cases, but they were cured and the pandemic never hit the US.
     
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    The guy the Trump pardoned for having colluded with the Russians, along with many others who worked on its campaign, and then lied about it to the FBI.
     
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    No it wouldn’t. The Trump was historically unpopular. The energy behind the Democratic wins in the 2016 election had a lot to do with the desire to see the Trump gone. In the lead up to the first impeachment, the majority of the people wanted the Trump to be impeached. At the end of the impeachment trial, the Republican Senators told the American people that if we wanted the Trump gone, that we would have to do it ourselves at the ballot box. That is what we did.

    The Republican Senators from Colorado and Arizona were going to lose, no matter what. The pandemic was just the icing on the cake.
     
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    Anti Semitic at the least.
     
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    I’m sure that you were aware that the Trump never actually governed. It pulled the US out of the world’s affairs, leaving its foreign policy little more than allowing the dictators of the world to do what they wanted. Except, of course, the Christian ideologically inspired harassment of Iran. At home the Trump did little more than campaign and golf. Sure it hired some people to fire all the regulators and tear up regulations, but Biden was able to reverse most of it with a few executive orders.

    When the Trump was voted out of office, our allies sighed a sigh of relief. When Biden was inaugurated, the world welcomed us back with open arms.
     
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    Iranians are of the same race as Europeans. Our languages have the same underlying roots.
     
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    The Semites are Arabs, of which the Jews are included. Arabs and Jews having common ancestors. There are very few Arabs in Iran. Maybe we should say that those who oppose Iran are anti Persians.
     
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    I would say that the average American is not anti-Iranian people but anti - Iranian government. There is no love lost between the Arab states and Israel and even Iran. Religion plays a bigger role in the animosities than race.
     
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    The sentiment (highlighted in bold) reflects precisely my point that people are willing to do anything, including illegal things, to achieve an objective. In this case the defeat of Trump at the ballot box. Was the election actually stolen? It doesn’t really matter at this point because nothing will change the outcome. Yet, for millions of voters, the appearance of it having been stolen is enough for them to be disenfranchised from voting in the future. That should be a concern for everyone on both sides because every vote matters. At least that’s what the leaders of both parties were saying.
     
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