White supremacy a 'transnational threat', U.N. chief warns

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  1. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    I disagree with only one part, maybe two. Anthropology. It's the study of cultures both present and historical. It's when you combine anthropology with all of those others that it gets dragged to the bottom of the barrel. It's actually useful to know how cultures are (promotes understanding) and how they were (those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it type of thing). When they combine it with those others then it becomes weaponized.

    African history could also be a good thing....if it wasn't weaponized. Unfortunately it pretty much always is.
     
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    Trump was well on the way in making black employment much, much better.

    Yet, even with that, some don't want employment.

    They just want to sit at the table with the rest and be dealt a winning hand.

    Every time.
     
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    No.

    I'm stating that they are more of a problem than the minuscule in comparison problem than White people are.

    You don't see White people going out and burning and looting and killing like the black people do and have been doing for a long, long time.
     
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    See what you are doing? You are insisting full employment cannot be achieved via government policy.

    That is purely an ideological construct, not a matter of economic reality.

    Hence YOU are complicit in perpetuating the violence of the 'white supremacy'/'black supremacy' nonsense.
     
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    You are ignoring cause and effect.

    Black people are incarcerated more often, have higher unemployment rates and higher poverty rates than white people. Meanwhile you are still conflating 'whites' with 'white supremacists'.

    .....while it was mostly a white mob in the Capitol riots.
    (link)
    PolitiFact | Tucker Carlson’s false claim downplaying role of white supremacists at Capitol riot

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    https://static.politifact.com/politifact/photos/AP_21039721090052.jpg

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    ie, mostly white Trump supporters, whether white supremacists or not.

    cf:

    Black Capitol rioter denied bail while many White participants granted release (yahoo.com)

    "Jackson ( a black) , who is reportedly homeless and suffers from mental health issues, was not given bond. His preliminary hearing is scheduled for February".

    Meanwhile, a long long time ago black people were enslaved by whites....with consequences which are still reverberating down through the generations.

    Time to ditch your economic ideology that insists individuals must sink or swim in the competitive private sector job market.

    Fact: there is a public sector as well, which can make use of people's abilities when they are not required by the private sector.
     
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  6. Kal'Stang

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    Can you point to any country that has achieved 100% employment in the last...say....5000 years? Any at all?
     
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    All the barter-trade economies before the time of the Roman empire, for starters.
    eg there was no unemployment in Boudicca's Britain, everyone had a role to play in the iron-age economy.

    But as always, conservatives look backwards.

    In today's AI and IT assisted economies, OVER-PRODUCTION, not shortage, is the problem, meaning nations are now squabbling over market access for their products....

    Yet there is always plenty of useful work to be done....environmental/property maintenance, (including the GND); assisting the elderly to live in their own homes, , early child care/education, and doubling staffing in nursing homes etc etc.

    Wealth in the form of output from factories and farms requires remarkably FEW workers in the modern economy (eg, 2% of the population can supply the nation's total food requirements, cf 50% a century ago).
     
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    This reminds me of the crazed ramblings of some infobabe on CNN or MSNBC saying since we use drones against terrorists, why not do the same here at home? Sounds like a wet dream by insane Leftists.
     
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    One can condemn it without buying into the lie that it's a huge problem. They exist but there are no huge numbers that are out there attacking people in the streets like BLM and Antifa. People who are constantly called criminals, racists, and every other evil under the sun will eventually decide if they're going to be blamed for it no matter what, why not act it out? Point being, lie about them long enough and penalize them as though they are criminals, eventually they'll BECOME criminals.
     
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    It makes me wonder if they're really delusional enough to think they'll force average white folks to quake in fear and submission?
     
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    Life is not a poker game.

    The vast majority just want to survive.
     
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    No, the exact opposite. White Supremacists want everyone else to go in fear of them. They want the best jobs, the best seats, the best of everything and they want to be given it as their due because they are white people, no other reason. The vast majority of white people don't feel that way but some do and nowadays they couch the argument in terms that see themselves as the VICTIMS, insane as that may seem. It's sort of like how some religious people now claim that their right to religious freedom includes the "right" to deny the same right to others.

    Who is asking you to "surrender your culture"? What is it that you think they are asking you to do?
     
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    Civilizing the world, you're welcome.
     
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    Wow, not only do you see these nonexistent white supremacists but you can read their minds......
     
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    How many people in the world have to be killed by white supremacists before it's a huge problem?

    Both the FBI and the Department of Homeland security agree with the UN that it's a huge problem.

    Here's a government report from 2020:
    https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CRPT-116hrpt526/html/CRPT-116hrpt526-pt1.htm

    Here's a 2019 anti-terrorism bill:
    https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/s894/BILLS-116s894is.xml

    Here's what Business Insider has to say:
    https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7

    Here's The Economist:
    https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...-plots-have-outnumbered-far-left-ones-in-2020

    Here's Forbes:
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlie...sm-on-the-rise-and-spreading/?sh=7d9276c5a0fb

    Here's Newsweek
    https://www.newsweek.com/white-supr...s-recent-years-terrorism-report-shows-1517096

    Here's The Independent:
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...tack-white-supremacy-death-toll-a9364096.html
     
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    Fake news and fake stats prove nothing but the myth lives on.
     
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    Throw in Abortions and the murder of innocents and I bet we can get near the top.
     
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    So you think all those news sources, including business publications, plus the official government reports under Trump, are all fake news. That's quite a conspiracy!
     
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    Fake news is just fake news. Not a conspiracy. There is no evidence to support the claims. There is your conspiracy.
     
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    ....and the American white people are just trying to be left alone. They have no interest in taking over black, Spanish, or any other minority neighborhood. They have no interest in trying to change another groups culture to eradicate it. They are not asking for any hand-outs from minority communities. They are not asking for reparations, from the government, for injustices done to some relatives 150 years ago; as they have no legal standing . They have no qualms with minorities who earn scholarships on merit or promotions at work based on merit. The majority of whites believe black lives matter, but, not anymore than any other lives matter.
     
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    No one is dismissing how disgusting white supremacy is or who they hurt. But to conflate the damage/deaths as if it’s some HUUUUGE deal is actually ignoring the stats and reality. They are insignificant when compared to the damage other races commit. The BLM/ANTIFA riots literally did more damage in months than white supremacy in this century. And the inner city violence committed in Chicago alone, is astronomical compared to what the KKK commits in a year or even 10 years.

    It’s like a Doctor making a big deal over the kid with a scraped knee when there’s a kid sitting right next to him with a broken neck.

    It’s about HONESTY!!! Ignore the house burning down, while trying to save the TV, because that’s important!!! No it’s not. The HOUSE is the problem. The TV is insignificant.

    And the danger comes when the label white supremacy starts getting applied to EVERYONE, like a president or a political party and anyone who supports them. That’s exactly what the Nazis did to the Jews. EXACTLY!!!! History is repeating itself.
     
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    Unfortunately (and truly surprisingly) it would appear that there is hesitancy to even acknowledge white supremacy here. Lots of whataboutisms and downplaying the size of the problem when asked - directly - is it a bad thing or not. There are many things I've read here that made me want and need a break. But this is the saddest I've felt in a long time.
     
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    Who’s NOT acknowledging it? The saddest thing is actually those NOT acknowledging far bigger problems right in front of our faces because it’s not PC. Ignoring those problems is exactly why we’re faced with them today. No one ignores white supremacy. But the myth that a black person has more to fear from a random white guy or a cop compared to another black person is disingenuous BS and the real danger. It led to the riots. It led to billions in damages. It led to businesses that can never recover. It led to cops executed in their cars. It led to many innocent people killed. 1000s injured. It led to idiots on TV ignorant of FACTS, citing total nonsense everywhere you look. It led to our president and VP citing nonsense. It’s creating witch hunts. It’s getting people fired from jobs when they did nothing wrong besides supporting the wrong person or as silly as not saluting WAKANDA. It’s ridiculous.
     
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    Any form of racism is bad. However making it up for political agenda is just as bad....
     
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    To your 1st point: no it's not "in the past"; see the underlined in the above quote.

    As to the 2nd point: you don't have to feel guilty about "white supremacist" ideology, provided you don't support that evil ideology....



    Actually, there is more truth in the statement: 'It's the economy' stupid" ....than you realize.

    I draw your attention to the causes of white supremacist ideology: it's based on a reaction to the competition for resources and achievement of economic well-being, which in our current evil Friedman supply side economic system manifests as entrenched unemployment among less competitive/capable individuals of all races, whether white or black. That is, groups are turned against one-another, and blame the other for their poor economic circumstances, when the real problem is a dysfunctional economic system.

    Fact is: a 'good' economy can employ everyone at above poverty level.

    In respect of which, Congresswoman Ayanna Pressley has just yesterday presented a resolution to congress, to legislate that very outcome:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1364019849605697539[/QUOTE]

    I agree, however if you think the KKK is a trans national threat, I think your incorrect. There are larger movements in Eastern Europe of White Supremacy in the here and now, but still the focus lies on Western European and American White supremacists, Please source how many KKK members now exist, I imagine it's a lot less than pre 1970?

    Focus on Eastern Europe if you want to quote White Supremacy in the Modern area. I will gather my links when I can be arsed to provide the proof that is already there for all to see
     
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