Covid vaccinations: Exponential increase in vaccinations

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  1. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I hope you and others benefit from it. I will not be getting it. There are many class action lawsuits advertised on TV for damage caused by products deemed "Safe and effective". We will see.
     
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    So the PCR tests have been a statistical shell game all along?

    The bogus PCR tests have been the cornerstone of the entire fraud.

    Plandemic all the way.
     
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    Quantum Nerd Well-Known Member

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    If it were linear, the number of doses per day should be constant over time. It is not, the number of doses is increasing:

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    We are now at an almost sustained 1.7 million of doses per day, hopefully we'll crack the 2 million mark per day soon.
     
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    56 million Americans have received the vaccines already. If there were problems, we'd have heard of them by now. Imagine if 56 million Americans had contracted covid. There'd be half a million deaths, at least. I'd say, looking at the numbers, the risk from the vaccine is miniscule compared to the risk of getting and dying from covid.

    Of course, you are free to not get the vaccine. However, that makes you somewhat of a freeloader, because you are relying on others to take the risk of getting vaccinated, so the country gets to herd immunity (from which you benefit, too). Everyone who gets vaccinated reduced YOUR risk of getting infected. Think about that. Don't you want to extend the same courtesy to others?
     
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    Got my second shot Tuesday. Having grown up in the '50s and '60s I can remember the childhood diseases that used to sweep parts of the country but no longer do. Kids today have never heard of an iron lung.
     
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    I can certainly respect your opinion up until you called me a freeloader. Growing up, I was prone to illness. I caught every cold, flu, sinus/ear infection, etc. I was given pharm products like candy and it just kept getting worse.

    I got tired of suffering and did some research on strengthening the immune system. I stopped taking pharm products and for the last 25 years, I just don't get sick. I have never had a flu vaccine and still never get the flu.

    On the issue of Covid, the main factor is underlying medical conditions. While my profession qualifies me for phase 1, there are many that need it much more than myself and they can have my dose.

    Please don't take it as an insult that I will rely on my years or research rather than a random guy on the internet.
     
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    But a linear regression could be applied to this data, it’s not exponential by any means.
     
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    That's the vaccination rate on the y axis. If the rate increases linearly, then the number of vaccinated increases exponentially. Not sure why we are debating this, because an exponential increase in vaccinations should be a good thing, because we'll get to herd immunity more quickly.
     
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    I agree that exponential increase would be great. But the Y-axis represents the number of vacinations on each GIVEN day not a rate. An exponential growth would be something like 1 vacination on day one, 2 on day 2, 4 on day three, 8 on day four, etc. The wording on the graphic is misleading.

    https://courses.lumenlearning.com/w...introduction-graphs-of-exponential-functions/
     
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    A linear regression line can be applied to any set of data points, even a sine wave!

    Though the term "exponential" mathematically implies a rate of 2.7, any increase in rate above 1 is reported as exponential growth
     
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    This is a good explanation of exponential growth ; essentially y = b^x
     
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    Which is what I wrote

    any value of x greater than 1 is reported as exponential growth

    Now work out the daily doses from the figures in Quantum Nerd's post and you will see "exponential" growth:
    2/15 54 million vaccinated
    2/23 70 million vaccinated - 2 million per day
    3/1 91 million vaccinated - 2.6 million per day
    3/7 118 million vaccinated - 4.5 million per day
     
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    Ok, technicall y= b^1.03(or whatever) is exponential, but I’d suggest most people expect x >= 2 at a minimum to be called “exponential growth. Also, I’d suggest the actual day-to-do ups and down are more suggestive of a linear growth. Given the reality of the distribution and admininstration of the vaccine, linear sounds far more reasonable.
     
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    Your x>=2 is not based on anything though. As stated in your link, x>1 is referred to as exponential growth. Linear means the same number every day, ie X= 1. Literally, exponential refers to the value of the exponential constant "e" which has a value of 2.718 and is a fundamental constant found in nature and many other situations.
     
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    Actually, linear growth means each day increases by a fixed number: Y = x+a. Frankly, it’s not a big deal either way.
     
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    Linear growth is when the total number of doses increases by the same amount after each day eg 5 doses every day is linear growth. If the number of doses given each day increases by a fixed amount each day then that is still exponential growth. But as you say, it's no big deal, I do like maths though. I'll leave it there
     
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    That's what I stated in my opening post. If growth was linear, the same number of doses would be given each week. However, the number of doses given per week increases by a factor of 1.3. Let's say 100 doses were given in weeks one, 130 doses would be given in week 2, 169 in week 3 etc. Clearly, the rate of vaccinations increases over time -> thus the process is exponential. Doses(t) = Doses(t=0) e^(r t), where r is some sort of rate constant. r can be one, but doesn't have to be, to be an exponential process.
     
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    Sorry for the "freeloader" tag. But, think about this: Herd immunity through vaccinations only works if a large % of the population actually gets vaccinated. Those who decide to not get vaccinated benefit from those who do, because every vaccinated person reduces everyone else's risk. If everyone would decide to not get vaccinated, there would be no point to a vaccine.

    It's a little bit like offshoring. The individual company benefits from offshoring due to having to pay lower wages. However, if every company offshores, overall wages decline to the point where people may not be able to afford to buy enough products. Everyone loses. Therefore, the companies that offshore benefit from the companies that cannot or do not want to offshore, because the latter companies cannot pay slave wages and, thus, keep up aggregate demand.
     
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    You may be right or we may be injecting people with something that is more dangerous than the virus itself. Also, it may not have any effect on the next variant.

    The main factor in Covid is underlying medical conditions and the risk for healthy people is extremely low. My strategy is to stay healthy and keep my immune system strong.
     
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    Okay, update from the original predictions:

    We are now at 2/23 and 64.4 million doses were given, well short of the predicted 70 million doses.

    Question: Have we already entered the linear range of the growth curve? Or was the recent dip temporary because of the snow storms all across the US, and the subsequent vaccine delivery problems? We'll see next week.

    In any case, the Johnson and Johnson vaccine will likely be approved on Friday, this should give another boost to the daily vaccination rates. The next milestone is really to get consistently above 2 million doses per day administered.
     
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    Not this rubbish again from a person who's views have been thoroughly debunked time and time again
     
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    What he says makes perfect sense. When the vax companies refuse to accept liability for any adverse reactions including death, and many have died, there must be informed consent.
     

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