Did Trump MAGA?

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Did Trump MAGA?

  1. Yes, by all means

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    24.6%
  2. Sort of

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  3. No, not really

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    5.3%
  4. No, Trump is a disgrace to America!

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    54.4%
  5. I don't know

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  6. I don't care

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    1.8%
  1. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    Unlikely. If Trump tries to talk about borders or immigration at CPAC, he'll find his microphone mysteriously going on the fritz.
     
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    My bad, did you get mad when Obama/Biden did it?
    Ben bashing?
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    Uh huh
     
  4. David Landbrecht

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    Whatever "great" might mean, America was and is an amazing place in the good sense of the term. Trump did not make it that way, nor did he augment it.
    The duopoly that has taken over the government has continually worked for its perpetuation, and when that was deleterious to the country, too bad. Trump is just a phenomenon, a symptom of American incapacity for rational evaluation and reasoning. That is also how the duopoly remains in control. Trump was bad enough, but "W" and co. was a disaster far worse.
     
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    The difference is that under the prior policy, they could be sent home or to Mexico which ha camps to hold refugees. Now, there is no place but straight across the US border to stay.

    A self inflicted wound.
     
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    Better than it was, but more work needs to be done to MAGA. In my estimation about four more years of Trump will get the job done. Long as China Xoe dosent sell off to much of the country to China
     
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    Now there is a solid positive attitude for you.
     
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    Our country was always great.

    President Trump just used MAGA as a campaign canard to get him elected to the WH..
     
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    It may also be a fact....but we have to except and move on.

    Yep....and GOP folk are gonna to continue to use tRump to get themselves elected.
    As long as tRump can help them stay in power...they wont throw him under the bus yet.
     
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    OK so move on.
     
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    Lol. Okay...done
     
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    Agree...so regarding that trend...do you think the next GOP President will be more....or less....of a disaster than Trump?
     
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  13. David Landbrecht

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    It is difficult to imagine that any candidate offered by the duopoly will be a significant improvement.
     
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    What in your own opinion would be a viable choice for a candidate? I liked Ross Perot as an alternative style.
    The Trump type of narcissistic wanna be godfather is definitely not in anyone's best interest except for the wealthy.
    The difficulty I see is the present addiction to conspiracy theories. It seems if you are not a "believer" of Q
    or some other popular illusion...than you are not a true "Merican" in the eyes of half the population.
    I can't imagine any candidate being popular enough to dispel the conspiracies.
    Unfortunately folks much prefer entertainment and fantasy over reality.
     
  15. David Landbrecht

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    As it stands, the duopoly protects itself. A good candidate for President would not be a good candidate from the duopoly's perspective and would thus be torpedoed at every turn. We need to turn out the House and a third of the Senate entirely one year at the same time that a genuine Presidential candidate is running. That would to teach them a lesson and get another perspective on government.
     
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    From elsewhere...
    First the thread title.
    The Europeans as a whole (since one can never speak for about 30 countries or all their disparate parts, opinions and circumstances) saw the potential for a serious rise in right wing populism on the back of the US election which came at a time when Italy, Greece, the UK and Hungary and Poland were moving strongly in that direction.
    The European liberal tendancy buckled their seatbelts, and tried to accommodate Trump for the sake of history, the environment, NATO, the WTO, foreign aid and discrete relations with China and NK.
    Since Trump took office and started to throw a wrecking ball around what Europe had built for 75 years, including threatening the EU with trade sanctions, populism shrank quite markedly as many saw its potential for harm.
    In general there is a vocal agreement that such policies as Trump devised runs counter to the direction Europe has taken since 1945. There was a recognition of common disappointment and low key efforts to keep the peace while huge alarm at Trump's foreign diplomacy that nearly became a nuclear war.
    As far as MAGA was concerned, the slogan became a Halloween joke. Sort of amusing but could be frightening underneath.
    Europe also didn't like the small but important social details...you do NOT walk in front of the Queen of England and you do NOT push in front of international heads of state for a photo op. It is just crass. and you do your best NOT to look like
    Mussolini , suggest huge military parades , keep other allies out of strategic decisions that would involve them or decorate your house in the style of Louis 14th.
    It is just distasteful and treads on European culture.
    I get the idea that Biden knows this and most of us look forward to welcoming him for some moments of repair.
    Not only is the US not great again, it was seen as an abject failure in so many respects. There is now optimism that this is consigned to the dustbin of history. It was a blip. A diversion from the global path of progress. Probably not much missed and not discussed. A shame. Things can only get better.
     
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    But how would you address the conspiracy theories trend....
    how would you convince the schizophrenic half of the voters to agree on a sane candidate?
    How could you possibly prevent them from creating a Trump 2.0....or even a W 2.0?
     
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    Thank you for your clear perspective. In your opinion...do the European countries have political conspiracy theories
    and Trumpist "alternative facts" like we deal with here?
     
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    Oh indeed yes.
    Which is pity since the once "not very often" has now increased to a "this is true because a guy on youtube says so."
    I can't speak for any country but the UK and France but the UK is far too full of them. I doubt you would find any more than a small understanding of the EU but a LOT of misinformation believed to be true some of it from over 25 years ago pre two constitutional changes.
    In the UK what you believe depends on the guys you last spent time in the pub with...
     
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    Heh, not a blip. The US is irrevocably changed. We have troops in the capital and massive loss of confidence in our institutions.
     
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    I guess I was hoping it was completely different in Europe and elsewhere.
    I figured that if the rest of the world was mostly sane...then they would offset the fantasies here....
    IMO it is a dangerous trend to get attached to these extremist stories.
    My concern is they will lead to much worse than what happened at the Capitol here.
    My concern is these lies can lead to even more needless wars.
     
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    Given that things actually have been done that rival the worst conspiracy imaginings, it makes them difficult to refute with mere logic. The wars with Mexico and Spain were based on falsehoods, the Gulf of Tonkin and Iraq were based on lies. The lives and treasure wasted on these and countless other mendacious endeavors meant nothing to the sociopaths in charge. We cannot deny that the people "at the top" regard others as a resource to be used up or wasted. Thus, nothing can be put past them.
     
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    Thanks to the vaccines his policies helped to put them out much much faster
    On behalf of the Donald
    You're Welcome!
     
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    Perhaps you have made an important observation with "the sociopaths in charge".
    Correct me if I'm wrong...but it seems to me most if not all of the "sociopaths in charge"
    around the world were put into power by their societies.
     
  25. David Landbrecht

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    It could be said that the societies were manipulated so that these people assumed levels of control. That isn't saying you are wrong, but that society is.
     

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