Trump's Future Plans?? Bid in 2024?

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  1. MiaBleu

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    There are those Trump supporters and there still are out there, They will wait four years for the next election year in 2024 they hope Trump will run again on the Republican ticket and what will happen, We'll know by then.
     
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    If the Republican party have their smarts about themselves They would get rid of Donald Trump and get rid of him for good. Maybe Mike Pence could be a Republican candidate in 2024 which would be an ultimate choice even though the Proud Boys wanted to crucify him on January 6. All Republicans ought to say good riddance to Donald Trump permanently. It is because Trump and the Proud Boys and other Trump followers are no more than Bad News and I mean it.
     
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    Thanks for the advice. I'm sure Trump will give it some consideration. I wonder how long it will be before you on the Left grasp that it isn't Trump that's in trouble. It's the GOP that's struggling for survival. Those who refuse to work with Trump will be gone in one way or another. Either he'll have them primaried out or they'll only manage to split from the more vital part of the party. After what Pence did, along with people like Haley and Cotton, NONE of them have a future in Trump's growing party. Feel free to laugh but you won't be laughing for long. You guys not only have a pathological hate for the Bad Orange Man, but you also aren't even capable of imagining he could still be a force to be reckoned with. Oh well. Some folks take longer to grasp reality.
     
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    There is no question that Trump is still a force to be reckoned with. and yes... the GOP is in an existential crisis. The split is deep and fractured. They are in an identity crisis as well.......as what they traditionally stood for does not exist any more. What they evolve (or devolve ) into is still uncertain as there is no real framework for their ideology. In away , they are stuck in a beholding position to Trump ......ie holding pattern.
    It seems fair to say that the GOP politics have been changed indefinitely. with an undefined future.
     
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    I'd say the same is true for the Democrats. They have a hard Left wing that used to be a nuisance but now seems to be gaining firm control. These people are so rabidly anti-traditional America that anyone who tries to discuss issues with them HAS to wear a face shield to keep their spittle out of their eyes. Now that the Bad Orange Man no longer has government authority, it will require more effort to tie him to every negative action the government takes in the coming years but I'm certain the Marxist Cadreswill be up to it.
    On the one hand, we are regularly told how stupid and inept the man and his followers are and otoh, how dangerous they are. Pick a narrative and defend it...
     
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    How long do you think Trump's influence will last?? How much endurance does he have??

    I ask this because as we all know....time has a way of changing things and even attitudes.


    In reference to your comment about the left having a segment of anti traditional......... I venture that both parties have segments that fall into that line of thinking. Either way.....there seems to be a movement a foot which might bring changes to both parties. One thing is obvious....Trump certainly shook thins up.........Now it remains to be seen just how the pieces will fall into place again...... and what it will all look like.
     
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    Trump will be in jail until he dies. All the conservatives are still under the illusion that he was 'exonerated' by the Mueller Report when it was actually made very clear that he was convicted of several counts of obstruction of justice, with the trial and inevitable outcome just being delayed until he left office, which he has (or are all of the Trumpers denying reality on that too?)
     
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    As we all know, in the 2020 election, Biden whipped Trump fair and square. Trump in his mind or should I say in his fantasy was the winner and did what he could to have a recount in his favor. The January 6 attack was uncalled for and should not have happened and the intention to crucify Mike Pence was not to happen, Sometimes I wish I could crucity Trump but that won't happen either.
     
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    Trump and his followers will be out to crucify whoever they can get their grubby hands on.
     
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    I agree with you that both parties are in an evolutionary period.

    My hope is that something good can come from this. What if the more left/right centrists get together and leave their fringe.

    Common Sense Party?
    ****y'all Party?

    Either way. The fringe needs to be marginalized.
     
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    What makes anyone think that the working men and women in this country want to watch the democrats throw away the gains they made under Trump?
    Biden is rolling us back to the moribund economy of the Obama years where businesses were punished with added regulatory costs

    The democrats refuse to understand that every dollar in taxes originates in the private sector. The government just sprinkles it around as if it is there money. It's not.
     
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    Trump is headlining CPAC.

    Interestingly, Mike Pence snubbed an invitation and declined to attend this year's event.
     
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    Supreme Court paves way for New York prosecutors to review Trump's taxes

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/supreme-court-new-york-prosecutors-trump-taxes

    Good!!

    Needless to say.....Donald is pizzed off at the S Court............ as after all , he had some of them placed there. In his mind......they owe him.

    He never accommodated to the fact that Governing is not transactional .......... in the way he likes to operate.

    He will be spending plenty of time in one form of litigation or other. ...which is noting new to him.
     
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    Yes, let him run. It will ensure the victory of whoever runs against him on the other side. The 81 million people who voted against him in 2020 will NEVER change their minds and suddenly vote for him; they are not going anywhere, and will be reinforced by many who got horrified by what happened on January 6th (especially independents, and even some Republicans). The Democrat running against him only needs to get some ads on TV showing scenes of the Capitol insurrection with a voice over: "Are you sure you want to go back to THAT???"

    Add to this, demographic changes. Younger Americans hate Trump much more than older Americans do, and 4 years from now, each year more youngsters will reach voting age, while more senior Americans die out. See, 4 million people are born every year in the United States. Each of these yearly broods gets one year older every year. So, by 2024, 16 million additional young Americans will get to be of voting age. About 3 million Americans die each year. That's 12 million fewer among the older population, in 2024. Of course not even all of these vote, not all elderly Americans are Trump supporters, and not all young Americans are supporters of Democrats who run for the presidency. But there is a predominance of that support, so, the newer generations replacing the older generations with a 28-million generational shift will predictably result in Trump's support further eroding, and he's already starting from behind.

    All these factors considered point to the estimate that If Trump runs in 2024 he will lose by a wider margin than his 2020 defeat, and being the narcissist that he is, I think that this will be the biggest obstacle for his run, because he will be terrified of being branded (and pretty much confirmed as) a loser again.

    Not to forget, he may be battling significant legal trouble, and will be 4 years older, which doesn't bode well for his health with his steady diet of Big Macs and fries.

    Finally, Trump is not a masochist. He clearly seeks pleasure. His experience as the president was actually a terrible one. For now he is saying he will run given that he is vindictive and he wants to put pressure on the people who beat him and/or he sees as having betrayed him, but he never truly enjoyed the presidency. I don't really believe that he craves four more years of this turmoil. What he likes to do, is play golf.

    So I think that he will keep the illusion that he will run so that he can have rallies and fundraising, will keep Republicans he sees as traitors under pressure, and will do all he can to undermine the Biden administration. But I doubt that ultimately he will actually run. I think he will push the illusion as far as he can then at the last moment will say that he knows that if he were to run he'd win "bigly, in a landslide" but he decided not to run in order to support someone else (such as Ivanka). That is more plausible to me than Trump actually running himself.

    If Biden screws up, there is some room for a Republican Party victory in the 2024 presidential election, but not for Donald Trump who carries too much baggage. Trump managed to squander his political patrimony. He came out of November 3rd with significant support of 75 million Americans... which he could use to build upon, in case the Biden government turns out to post bad results. But then Trump behaved like a sore loser and a traitor and wannabe dictator who tried to subvert democracy. A lot of good people got turned off by that.

    Also, we'll see the Republican establishment progressively turning against him. We've seen already some manifestations of it, timidly at first. But if you guys haven't noticed, some prospective GOP 2024 presidential candidates are already distancing themselves from him and speaking up against him, like Nikki Haley, Larry Hogan, and Ben Sasse, and this, while 2020 is still so recent. As the 2024 race gets closer and Trump's popularity progressively fades, these attacks on him from inside his own party will only get worse.

    And let's not forget, he may end up indicted and sent to prison if the prosecutors who are looking into his tax records and other aspects of his businesses, get the upper hand. While I think this is unlikely (rich people in the United States rarely have to face any accountability) it is certainly not impossible - they have just received thousands of pages of his tax records, today.
     
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    I had hoped Trump's January 12 brief visit/speech in the little town of Alamo, Texas was symbolic.
     
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    CNN reporting: Trump will be returning to the political stage this weekend........and is plotting REVENGE.

    This fits with the character of the narcissistic man.
     
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    Well said.

    I agree with you that Independents are not going to vote for Trump, along with some Republicans who won't either. Almost one third of the electorate identifies as "Independent". I think if the Republicans nominate Trump, the Democrats will win in a landslide. Same with anyone in the Trump family. Furthermore, I'm not confident that Trump can "help" Republican candidates for the Senate or House.

    The best thing he can do for the conservatives is to do what George Bush did - disappear and stay out of it all.

    I happen to believe that Trump's policy issues are still very popular, though. A huge portion of the population want us to be strong on illegal immigration, to be tough enough to bring about trade equity with China (and others), to extricate the U.S. from Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan, to remain energy independent, to seek peace with N. Korea, to make NATO countries pay their own way, keep taxes low on our businesses, support the 2nd Amendment, support police and law and order, appoint "originalist" Supreme Court Justices, cooperate with other countries but with a priority on "America first" (just like every other country does for its own country), and, quite honestly, a great many people identify with respect for our flag and our anthem. A great many people are sick and tired of the "cancel culture" and the penchant of liberals to define everything by race. So the Republican nominee should hold these values and emphasize that we are all Americans. We are not sort of Americans. We are not partly Americans. We are all Americans, and that's what matters.

    If the Republicans could nominate a candidate with these beliefs, but in a nice, palatable package - someone who is likeable - I think the Republicans could actually win in 2024. But nominating Trump would be an epic mistake. EPIC.

    Seth :flagus:
     
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    Mitch has stated that if Trump is nominated he will support him. He seems to have "on Trump days and off Trump days as is evidenced by his rhetoric.depending on which way the Trump wind is blowing.

    Trump apparently has made a list of those that are with him and those that are against him. We can expect more theater from this drama king.
     
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    Question:

    How long do you think America's economy, with 350 million people, can remain larger than China's, with 1.4 billion people?

    Latest estimates are the changeover will occur in less than a decade...what then?
     
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    Very good post, and I agree with you on the good parts of Trump's efforts as you listed above. I can't support him, though, due to his botched response to Covid-19 (most of what he did and said - except for the Warp Speed Initiative - was only meant to prop himself up electorally, with little regard for the American people), and his attempt to reverse the fair and free results of our presidential election, in a blatant disregard for democracy. I would, however, support a decent Republican candidate with the above ideals. Unfortunately, the Republican party is now the Party of Trump instead of the GOP that once stood for conservative values and fiscal responsibility.
     
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    He can't be happy with Trump.
    I agree with both you and @CenterField .

    I love the idea of Trump; an outsider who loathes the corruption, wants us out of wars, all that.

    Trump wasn't the right person. He focused on trolling democrats and obliterating his enemies. If he had focused on his platform, and used his bully pulpit to explain his platform, and trusted science; just a little bit, he'd be a hero.

    Instead, he's a zero.

    Does a sane person who shows signs of empathy and cooperation, but also wants a sane policy that favors Americans, exist? Ross Perot came close, but he wimped out.
     
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