As rioters stormed the Capitol, Trump was reportedly telling people he was glad Perdue and Loeffler

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  1. a better world

    a better world Well-Known Member

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    Well, as we have seen over many decades, private sector free markets sure as hell aren't going to create sufficient good jobs; that's what BLM riots (on the Left) and MAGA riots (on the Right) are all about.

    And how do YOU propose we "properly fund skilled nursing facilities", when governments have been reducing such funding for decades (along with social housing etc); "letting them decide who to hire" doesn't cut the mustard.

    .....until your free market ideology is ravaged by increasing violence on the Left (BLM) and the Right (small government/low tax "patriots").

    All are necessary, not only because there is intrinsic value in all, but because the private sector can never create real full employment ALONE (see NAIRU.... your own orthodox obsolete free market employment theory).

    Certainly infrastructure and R&D are vital, but if you think Canadian, UK, and Australian governments -and the EU - have their priorities right in this regard....just look at the homelessness crisis ravaging all these countries as they have reduced funding for social housing.

    You're obviously too ashamed to say how you would create an economy that works for all, without relying on demoralising welfare ("sit-down money") in normal times…...and what you would advise Biden to do, to support the economy through the current covid. pandemic.

    Actually, in March, when the unemployment queues suddenly started stretching around city blocks, the Australian government did offer support for businesses and workers...at massive "cost" to the government budget (in orthodox economic speak, ie your mob); but by late April when it appeared covid was a fizzer (at the end of the 1st wave); the government allowed the economy to open and thereby immediately halved the projected deficit by reducing support, despite the fact that many people did not "qualify" for the initial support., and unemployment was sill a huge problem. So now we have increasing hardship among disadvantaged groups in Ausrtralia; indeed many low wage people have drained their superannuation accounts in order to survive, while Australia's billionaires have made a killing (50% increase in wealth over the same time.)

    The social effects of support being withdraw too soon will be horrendous in Australia, though covid deaths are still low, courtesy of the strict lock-downs.
     
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    We don't have to go to a "planned economy" (read: "socialist economy") to do what I suggested.
     
  3. a better world

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    BLM organizes peaceful protests. The looting and arson happen after BLM marches.
    Raise taxes.
    Denmark takes care of people.
    Yeah, sure--we can have people sweeping the street by hand.
    Relevance to not having government produce goods and services.
    Yes, I said what I would do.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_income_tax
    Relevance? You said socialism is necessary to keep the number of deaths down. It isn't.

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  5. a better world

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    I keep forgetting: you are not a 'conservative, but a 'progressive'….however , given "You are living in poverty, your neighbourhoods are like war zones etc" (Trump) it is clear why the rioters and looters are mostly black.... just as the 'patriots" (insurrectionists in the Capitol riots) were mostly white.

    Yeh…. 'progressives have been trying to do that since Reagan, but have failed.

    Denmark...a tiny cohesive community, that successfully trades internationally, like Switzerland. and a few others. Most of the western democracies have suffered deteriorating social conditions among a disadvantaged group, for decades.

    Not necessary. They can be taught to operate new machines to do the job. Given the evil throw away, junk- consumer, free market economy, we could use several thousands of them in any city.

    Education itself, including up to tertiary level if students are capable, is a government service; again, funding is the issue.



    That sounds like a good idea, I will look at it. But you are still committed to your free market as the sole manager of wealth creation. Free markets ALONE can never produce an economy that works for all, because not everyone can successfully compete in such markets. And don't talk about welfare as the solution, it is not.

    Gosh, seeing you are a teacher of several decades experience, I would hope you can see the error in that statement. your error is a classic case of blind ideology leading to error.

    I said: in a pandemic, the sovereign currency-issuing government should suspend the free market, to save lives. You don't need to be a "socialist" government to do that, obviously. (obvious, except when you are blinded by ideology).

    In fact your example of the Australian government works against you: the neoliberal, free market Australian government was ready to "pay" any price to keep the economy on life support.....until if became clear that only the most disadvantaged would be severely affected (because covid proved to be a fizzer in Australia after the 1st wave, owing to the successful short term lock-down).

    But horrendous social conditions for the most disadvantaged are only getting worse; and meanwhile both sides of politics are bleating about LOWERING taxes, to "get the economy moving".
     
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    The street sweeping comment was a sarcastic reference to the Soviet Union having women sweep Moscow streets with brooms.
     
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    And a diversion, which you are earnestly in need of......
     
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    :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:
     
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    IQ tests are not culturally biased. They determine genetic ability to be successful academically and economically.
     
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    That was the point of the study, which others contested. I'm just pointing out that your theory is not necessarily "science." An example would be that the IQ test questions are in part based on an industrial society culture. Someone from an agriculturally based society would then be slightly disadvantaged in answering the questions. I also am not saying that an IQ test isn't a predictor of economic or academic success. Only that there are other viewpoints.
     
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    Of course, genetic based mental illnesses also play a role in such an IQ test ... but many other factors also play a role!
    The social environment of a person plays an important role, because if the person is denied access to education for whatever reason ... cultural, religious, political, financial, social reasons ... then this has an impact on an IQ test and the result! It starts with whether a person can read and write or not ... isn't it?
     
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    You seem race obsessed. Most Americans are post-racial. Try not looking at every issue it terms of race. Remember your disdain for working class folks the next time you need a plumber, or HVAC or electrical work on your house, and try not to bitch too hard when you see the hourly rate they are charging you. They deserve it.

    Comparing the Capital Riot to Pearl Harbor like Schumer did is rather stupid, other than, despite plenty of warning, the Capitol Leadership failed to take reasonable precautions.
    Lying House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said of Chief Sund: “hasn’t called us since this happened” — but Sund personally briefed her twice on Jan. 6." There were critical delays "in a request for additional support during the riot, as police waited for approval from congressional officials."
    https://jonathanturley.org/2021/02/...er-scandal-from-the-capitol-riot/#more-169628
     
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    And?
     
  14. Pro_Line_FL

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    And.......Trump said he didn't care......that he was GLAD his party lost the Senate because those candidates were not loyal enough to HIM.

    It shows EVERYTHING was 100% about Trump, and no one else.
     
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    And that's his view.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, which demonstrated he didn't give a rip about his followers or his party. The only thing that mattered to him was himself.
     
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    No, he just believed what he believed, he may be wrong, (definitely so in my opinion) but he genuinely believed it.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, he was genuinely happy his party lost the Senate, because the two GA candidates were not loyal enough to him. Its not about being right or wrong, he said he was glad they lost.
     
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    It is almost as if he has a need to take down others with him. He has a very cruel / sadistic steak in him.as we all have seen on his Twitter rants/ rages.
    Thank goodness that has been cut off.

    Notice the calm........and civility.
     
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    This January 6 attack in the Capitol Building was wrong and evil and There was no good enough reason to do so. Those attackers should stand trial and plead guilty and suffer the consequences. It was wrong in the first place and it would still be wrong no matter what anyone else says. It was wrong then and it's wrong now. That is all I will say for now.
     
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    Because he felt betrayed.
     
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    My beef is that they assign this kind of blame when the perpetrator resisted arrest or actually attacked a cop. BLM was founded over the shooting of a young man who attacked a cop. The left needs to be more careful about which shootings they complain about.
     
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    Yes. And that is because it was always 100% about him, and nothing else.
     
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    It as founded over Zimmerman shooting Trevor Martin, and its not really a "left" vs "right" thing, even thought the right wingers are using it as a wedge/division issue.
     
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    I agree, it is a racist thing and racism isn't political.
     

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