Chemtrails are Geo-engineering

Started this thread because all of a sudden I'm not allow to post in the other chemtrail thread since my post a half hour ago for some reason.

To the last poster in the other thread. I wanted to thank you for looking at the last link I included. It's more than most are willing to do. Also plug in "geo-engineering" in place of "chemtrails" and you'll have better success at seeking information I believe.

Here is the link again: http://www.wanttoknow.info/g/chemtrails (maybe I can interact with responses now?)

 

I think it was me.

If you recall when you first posted something like this. I actually mocked your statement.

But I can see your conviction in this and it is only FAIR to actually try to contest this with REASON and not insults and inappropriate commentary.

Free speech cannot be upheld if others are willing to deny somebody elses, irrespective of content. (unless it's illegal)

Anyway I'll keep looking and see if there is any validity in this claim.

 

I can ask no more.

 

This footage has got me convinced that chemtrails are real. They turn it on and off.

AWACS and C-17 Globemaster in formation - What the Hell are they spraying?



I found that video here.
https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/

I had seen that website here.
https://humansarefree.com/2021/02/c...erations-in-texas-winter-weather-warfare.html

 

That is what happens when it is cold at altitude. This is perfectly natural. It is just water vapor - you know, like clouds.

 

How do you explain its stopping and starting? That was the main point that got my attention.

 

Atmospheric variations. The atmosphere is highly chaotic and dynamic. Perhaps there was a pocket of warm air rising, say for example over a lake early in the morning.

When flying you sometimes encounter turbulence like this.

 

There were two jets together. One had contrails the other didn't. Suddenly the second one started to produce contrails. It happens at the 00:54 time mark.

 

the good old days when conspiracy theories were harmless, now we have the Q

 

Water vapor can also be produced by the combustion process inside the engine at altitude when microscopic ice crystals are sucked into the engine along with the volume of air they're being carried in. As for the 'Chem trails' argument. This belongs in the conspiracy sub-forum. It is not science.

You want to know what their releasing? Simple test the air. Atmospheric science and monitoring as well as chemical detection technology is so advanced that the release of any complex compound into the atmosphere in all but the tiniest amounts can be detected. As a recent example - the illegal production of CFCs by companies operating in one part of China.

For anyone to pull off the large scale distribution of a compound (x) via wholesale dissemination in the upper atmosphere over decades and remain totally undetected requires the same kind of massively complex global 'conspiracy' as the 'fake' moon landings, hiding the existence aliens on Earth, the Zionist agenda and course Q etc etc i.e. literally untold millions of people have to be in on 'it' and absolutely nothing can ever, ever go wrong.

In other words it's total BS. Like all such conspiracies the sheer complexity,cost and logistics would make it impossible to conceal, let alone actually work.

One final note - while you could potentially load a dispersal system into a Globemaster (it is a cargo plane after all) AWACs aren't designed for it. You'd have to totally rework the interior of the aircraft's cargo space which, as far as I am aware is taken up by electronic systems/crew spaces for obvious reasons. They are also very expensive/valuable assets, far too valuable to take off line for some random crop dusting mission even if they did have the capability to do so - which they don't. Far cheaper just to buy any similar sized jet off the production line and equip it as needed. So no, the planes in the video, if they were in fact AWACs weren't 'spaying' anything out into the atmosphere - except perhaps a lot of EMR.

 

If you're going to bring up the subject of the moon landings on this thread, I'm going to answer. The proof that the moon missions were faked is crushing.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ers-are-corrupt.441261/page-2#post-1072215068

https://theconspiracyzone.podcastpeople.com/posts/27709
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Q: What about the vast number of people involved in Apollo, wouldn’t someone have spoken out.
A: Pan’s claim there were half a million people involved in the Apollo program, but that includes all the humble engineers working on machine parts in many companies around the globe. So if someone is making a part in some engineering factory in Seattle, and his boss tells him it’s for the Apollo spacecraft, is that engineer proof the landings took place? No of course it is not proof, and even if that engineer knew they never made it to the Moon, he would still brag to his friends that he made a part that went to the Moon just to make him feel proud in some way or other. Parts for the Apollo program were made at many different factories around the globe. For example the laser reflector supposedly left on the Moon was manufactured in France. NASA collected the unit from the French company, and that was the last they saw of it. It’s probably stashed away in some archive at Langley, but one things for certain it’s not on the Moon. Are those French engineers proof they landed on the Moon? No of course not, as very few, (probably less than 200 people), were actually involved in bringing the whole lot together, so as to minimize what was actually taking place. No need for any of them to speak out because (A) They are 100% patriotic to the USA, and would say nothing that would go against America, even if it were true. (B) They do not need millions of dollars to safeguard their future, as they have already received substantial amounts from NASA just to “keep mum”.
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Start watching this video at the 35:15 time mark.

American Moon (English Version)

https://www.bitchute.com/video/eZramDBFkXRU/

 

Well if nothing else you've confirmed your bona fides as a conspiracy believer. Please go back to the conspiracy sub forum where this drivel belongs.

FYI even at the height of the Soviet Union and the Cold war the Russians never once challenged the claim that the US had successfully landed. And both Russia and American landed multiple laser reflectors on the surface from which we still get 'bounce back'. Finally if you don't believe we made it to the Moon then you also can't believe the we've ever made it into Earth Orbit. The Shuttle program, Soyuz, Skylab, the ISS every satellite launch in history? ALL fake.

This is because getting into orbit is the hard part. The energy needed to get to the moon and return is only a tiny fraction of what you need to reach escape velocity. Lastly you might wish to reflect on the fact that by denying any of the above actually happened you're literally spitting on the graves of every human being who died trying to make manned space flight a reality.

Now go away.

 

You're basing your opinion on what the mainstream media have been saying. Behind the scenes things might have been very different. Check out
Chomsky's analysis of the cold war.
http://libcom.org/history/articles/...c front, the,that to the domestic populations.
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On the domestic front, the Cold War helped the Soviet Union entrench its military-bureaucratic ruling class in power, and it gave the US a way to compel its population to subsidise high-tech industry. It isn't easy to sell all that to the domestic populations. The technique used was the old stand-by-fear of a great enemy.
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Check this out too.
https://www.aulis.com/apollo-soyuz.htm
https://www.aulis.com/apollo-soyuz_contents.htm
https://www.aulis.com/apollo-soyuz1.htm


The American media give us an upside-down version of what's really happening.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...at-the-lies-furiously.583345/#post-1072353798

We can't form opinions based on anything they tell us.

They had the technology to send unmanned robotic craft to the moon back then if the Surveyor* program was real. Adjustable reflectors could have been attached to one of the Surveyor craft. reflectors on the moon are not proof that there were people on the moon.

If you want to talk about this, why don't you come over to the Moon Landing section?


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveyor_program

 

The proof of fakery is crushing. One possible reason for faking the missions is that space radiation is worse than they're telling us.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ric-event-was-h.436449/page-7#post-1072463576

You're jumping to conclusions here. People who think Apollo was faked don't automatically think all space travel has been faked.

Jarrah White: "Go away, Flat Earthers & Space Travel Deniers!"
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...-51&sk=&cvid=60E7E178287649F1A4A70840A0176360

 

Geoengineering is real, established technology. We've been seeding clouds to cause rain, for example, since at least the Vietnam war when we would cause out-of-season monsoons to swamp viet-cong troop and supply movements along the Ho Chi Minh trail. Geoengineering is one of the prominant methods being proposed to fight (or at least delay) climate change. https://geoengineering.global/

'Chemtrails' are a wingnut conspiracy theory.

The difference between geoengineering and 'chemtrails' is that geoengineering is good, and chemtrails are bad. Other than that, they are the same thing.

 

I've always been on the fence on this but after having seen this video...
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...s-are-geo-engineering.301836/#post-1072474342

...I'm starting to wonder.

 

Yes, that's geoengineering. If you embrace anthropomorphic climate change and agree with the need to artificially alter our environment to prevent climate change, then you may discuss the very real science of geoengineering with your very intelligent peers with whom you entirely agree on everything.

If you however refer to it as 'chemtrails' and worry that maybe the chemicals our elite masters are spraying into our air may not be entirely good for you and they may not have an entirely benevolent agenda and maybe climate change isn't actually preventable, then you are an evil conspiracy theorist and it doesn't exist.

Its really very simple.

 

I knew about cloud-seeding to make it rain but all I know about chemtrails is what I read. Only an insider could be sure about what's really going on and I, being a layman, don't see any reason to simply dismiss what the guy in the video says. It might turn out to be a total fabrication and it might turn out to be true.

 

For what it's worth, during the development of the B-2A Spirit stealth bomber, the USAF feared that the contrails from the bombers engines would literally point to the aircraft no matter that it was hard to detect on radar. So Northrop experimented with carrying small quantities of acid that would be sprayed into the engine tailpipes to eliminate contrails. It never worked right so instead B-2 crews are trained in changing altitudes if their engines start producing contrails.

 

I live in Madrid and there's a lot of air traffic here. I've been watching the sky for years and I've never seen anything here like I see in videos about chemtrails. When I see stuff such as this,...
http://p9.storage.canalblog.com/96/86/1201326/94531843_o.jpg

...I have to wonder if it's real, or photoshopped. If it turns out to be real, it looks like good evidence that something is getting sprayed out of the engines. Between the two giant clouds in the picture there seem to be some real contrails created by the tail.

Is that picture photoshopped? Is something really getting sprayed? If it is, what is it? What am I supposed to think?

 

I did some googling and I came across this.
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/109481-condensation-trails-contrails/
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Condensation from decreases in pressure

As a wing generates lift, it causes a vortex to form at each wingtip, and sometimes also at the tip of each wing flap. These wingtip vortices persist in the atmosphere long after the aircraft has passed. The reduction in pressure and temperature across each vortex can cause water to condense and make the cores of the wingtip vortices visible. This effect is more common on humid days.

The visible cores of wingtip vortices contrast with the other major type of contrails which are caused by the combustion of fuel. Contrails produced from jet engine exhaust are seen at high altitude, directly behind each engine. By contrast, the visible cores of wingtip vortices are usually seen only at low altitude where the aircraft is travelling slowly after takeoff or before landing, and where the ambient humidity is higher. They trail behind the wingtips and wing flaps rather than behind the engines.
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I'm trying to get educated. Some stuff is obvious but sometimes it's hard to distinguish the real explanations from the sophistry*.


*
https://www.clubconspiracy.com/counter-intellegience-tricks-and-techniques-t4702.html

 

No I'm saying what the science, historical records and eye witness testimony tell me. In other words the evidence.

 

No I'm saying what the science, historical records and eye witness testimony tell me. In other words the evidence.

Yes it was a 'hard sale' I'm sure... says the person using a computer to engage in a debate over the internet until the mobile phone in their pocket rings.

Only on conspiracy forums on the internet. Not according to science. And to state the (bleeding) obvious if the radiation levels outside of the Earths magnetosphere were so hazardous as to prevent human travel to the moon. Why lie about it? The radiation levels were know/understood before the Apollo Program started sending manned missions there. The race to the moon was driven at the time by competition with Soviet Russia but there were plenty of ways to 'beat' them in space without spending billions of public dollars on a 'fake' series of moon landings the government knew was impossible.

Also as it was the Apollo astronauts appear to have had shorter lifespans than would be expected of people with their generally excellent levels of physical health and access to top medical care. That has been put down (at least in part) to radiation doses they received while in space. But that did not prevent them from going.

Lastly this entire farcical argument requires the men who went on the missions to lie about it consistently for the rest of their lives until they die. OK so if you were in their shoes would you do that? If you say 'no' then you exonerate them because you cant argue without proof that they were somehow less honorable than you are. If you say 'yes' your implying that you are of course a better man than any of those astronauts. So which is it?

But regardless of the above I suppose the Chinese and American plans to send people back to the moon are an enormous con once again

 

What you call evidence is second-hand info. We are lied to about science, history, and news.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...at-the-lies-furiously.583345/#post-1072353798

The anomalies in the footage and pictures are proof that the Apollo footage was taken on Earth.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ers-are-corrupt.441261/page-2#post-1072215068

Why don't you come over to the Moon Landing section?
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?forums/moon-landing.72/

We can discuss the hoax proof there.

 

So, we're 'lied to' by worlds scientific community, global historical sources and news & current affairs companies but not conspiracy fan sites on the internet. Good to know.