U.S. Education Rankings Are Falling Behind the Rest of the World

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    The United States is not investing as much in human capital as other developed countries. As a result, its comparative advantage is falling behind. For example, U.S. students' math skills have remained stagnant for decades.

    This means they are falling behind many other countries, such as Japan, Poland, and Ireland, which have greatly improved. In fact, U.S. test scores are now below the global average.

    The U.S. scored 478 in math, below the OECD average of 489.

    In science, the United States scored at 502, above the OECD average of 489.

    The IMD World Competitiveness Center reports that the U.S. is ranked 10th in its 2020 Competitiveness Report. After ranking first in 2018, the U.S. fell to the third spot in 2019. The seven-point tumble to 10th place in 2020 represents the lowest the U.S. has ever been in the annual ranking system by far.
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    The US spends more per student than almost every other nation but gets way worse results. We see similar trends in our infrastructure, in our healthcare, in child poverty, in housing — why does it seem that America is no longer able to compete with the rest of the world in very basic but important areas?

    Why have many of our allies been able to figure this out when we are slipping in rank and now rate worse than average in most metrics (for reference some developing nations are now outranking us). Do Americans even have the political will to correct this default in our system?
     
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    I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that we call things like math racist, or hold back programs for those who have proven capable of more because they aren’t diverse enough. Instead of nourishing those who have demonstrated higher capabilities, we hold them back because others haven’t.

    One day, we will be as diverse as everyone wants us to be. It could just happen naturally and given no thought would simply happen, but we have chosen to speed up the process at the cost of merit, while actively discriminating against Asians for instance. Our engineers will be diverse, perhaps the most diverse, but not the best. While other countries simply seek the best.

    Could we fix this? Absolutely. Encourage education in REAL sciences and other areas that we need to continue to advance as a nation. Allow those capable of more to achieve more, while not necessarily leaving others behind who can’t keep up. Instead, we have a culture more focused on arts than sciences, on feelings rather than facts, on hate rather than progress. And it will stay that way, because those in charge now are seeking to divide by group, rather than unite by country.

    Also, it SHOULD go to show that throwing money at an issue doesn’t work. Culture is everything.
     
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    ROFL!

    Like this wasn't predicted by virtually every person on the Right since Obama got in office.

    Education has become less about actually educating the children and more about Leftist Indoctrination. My niece and nephew had to watch the fiction piece Inconvenient Truth each and every year of High School and it's only gotten worse since Al Gore, Jr. created that propaganda. My son is graduating from High School and the propaganda from the Left has been non-stop since grade school.
     
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    And the people responsible for the massive increase in public school spending and for the quality of education therein? Democrats. Teachers unions, and unions in general, have absolute control over the federal budget when Democrats are in control and progressive pseudo-intellectual 'academics' have absolute control over school curriculum. As a tax payer with no children it misses me off to no end seeing the massive chunk of money I have to give up for public schools knowing full well that all they're doing is indoctrinating children with useless rhetoric that will accomplish nothing but creating the next generation of loyal far-left voter.
     
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    The other Western countries that are doing better than us tend to be significantly more liberal than we are. So the problem isn't that educators are liberal.

    The top ten in the rankings of the IMD World Competitiveness Center, mentioned in the OP, are Singapore, Denmark, Switzerland, Netherlands, Hong Kong, Sweden, Norway, Canada, UAE.
     
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    European liberalism =/= American Ultra-radical progressive liberalism. Each group has different perspectives on things like class systems, crime, race, general freedoms, and the role of government. The two biggest difference my EU friends point out is that American progressives are far too obsessed with race hysteria and are too comfortable with political terrorism as a means to their ends. I told them they were very much correct in these observations.
     
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    This is an extremely timely thread and point.

    Under Trump administrations and their ilk, social/medical/education investment is stripped to fluff up numbers on a Federal accountant's spreadsheet. GDP and employment numbers are the dominant markers of progress, forgetting that all the other wholesome human stuff is what forms the basis that enables said growth. Trickle down anything doesn't work. You need to constantly monitor and invest in every aspect of the nation.

    This is always why I lean towards voting left. Even though a good Conservative government will challenge, balance out and keep the Left honest, targeted, intelligent and informed investment in every aspect of society is critical for long-term prosperity and happiness. Civilization needs maintenance, it doesn't just work by accident.
     
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    And great to see a highly qualified educator as FLOTUS. Hopefully her influence can make a difference!
     
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    Clearly children don't learn as much while quarantined, home schooled and online gaming ;)
     
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    How many Hispanics and Blacks live in those countries? Are they approaching 40% of the population as they are in the United States (and above 50% of the school age population)?

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    If you love diversity, then you are going to have to accept that different groups are going to perform at different levels in almost all fields of human endeavor. To expect anything different is to ignore reality.
     
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    - U.S. Education Rankings Are Falling Behind the Rest of the World

    ~ We know .. . :ashamed:
     
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    Falling? Didn't we tumble years ago? Lookin' for just ONE reason? Revisit "Boston Public Schools Remove Advanced Programs Because They Weren't "DIVERSE ENOUGH". I imagine we're being outdone because the rest of the world ain't as ate up with that BS as we are. Expect worse to come.
     
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    Our education suffers as our diversity expands. The only ones surprised should be NO ONE. The least diverse countries don’t have to kneel down to the woke crowd intent on everything being “fair”. Excellence ALWAYS suffers when you want “equality” and put Affirmative Action ahead of performance.

    And who wants to bet who the lowest scoring Demographics are bringing down our average. And what is the Lefts solution? Just call everything racist.

    Democrats have had near complete control over our education system for decades...and look at the result.
     
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    Schools need to focus on teaching traditional school subjects, not social issues.
     
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    Its obviously racism.. We need trillions of dollars pumped into our education and more Democrats in charge which will fix everything.
     
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    Why are Republicans not responsible for anything in your view? Even with complete control of government it seems Democrats are still the ones secretly in control of everything, strange.
     
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    We definitely see this along the rankings as well, whites tend to do better than blacks and Asians tend to do better than whites.

    Why though? Different levels of parental involvement? Different cultures? Different method of learning?
     
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    Cut out all of the bullshi* and a lot that that will change.
     
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    American liberalism is not more radical than European liberalism. If anything, the exact opposite is true. The Dems are significantly to the right of most European liberal parties.
     
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    It varies. You can look it up. As you will see, the proportion is not a predictor of the country's educational competitiveness.

    Why don't we look at what they do in those countries that are doing better than us to see if we might copy them?
     
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    How should we “encourage” this?

    Why are Republican dominated state not doing better than Democratic ones? (If anything they are doing even worse)
     
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    Asian get better grades but they lack imagination. This is why they rank lower on the innovation scale.
    Whites, having been in constant war with each other have become adept at innovating. I’d say white make better engineers.
     
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    The emphasize education, we don't. Education is important to them, it's not in the US.

    They emphasize Math and Science, we emphasize race.

    It's crystal clear which side is behind the shift in focus in our public schools.

    Sit here and defend the left all you want, but they're behind this movement. Get back to actually emphasizing the subjects that matter for someone's future and actually require students to learn them. It's really not rocket science.

    Suspending students for drawing a gun because their family hunts isn't helping either.
     
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    And we're going to keep pretending like a lack of investment is the problem?
    While some of the best-funded public school systems(New Your City, Baltimore, Detroit, etc...) are also some of the worst-performing.

    If the problem could be solved, as the leftists insist, by just throwing money at the schools, then why hasn't all the money the leftists are always throwing at their public schools fixed anything?
     
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    How so?

    Can you provide citations for this claim, please?

    Have you looked up the ways education in the US tends to differ from the countries that are doing better? Have you had a look at any of the recommendations made by educationalists from those countries?
     
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