Democrats really have a two faced problem.

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  1. Golem

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    ITIN is just an identification number that substitutes the Social Security Number. I don't actually know if they use it for FICA, but it is used for Income tax.
     
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    Yeah like there's jobs here for people with little in the way of skills and dems locking down the country...
     
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    There's a distinct difference between 'fencing' and Trump's wall isn't there?
     
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    There is no alternative, but that's the point! What was the alternative for unaccompanied minors under Trump?
     
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    So you DO want illegals to enter?
     
  6. Cybred

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    I believe I said that it's not a real problem.
     
  7. chris155au

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    Oh yeah. I missed that. You can think that it's not a real problem, but, you either DO, or you DON'T want illegals to enter. It's quite telling that you can't say!
     
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    Neither, don't really care.
     
  9. chris155au

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    Sorry, you don't care that men, women and children die while attempting to enter the country?
     
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    So what other crimes do you not care about being committed?
     
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    No not really.
     
  12. Cybred

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    Pretty much all of them.
     
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    What the hell? Do you care about AMERICANS dying?
     
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    Stalinist
     
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    Unless I'm capable of helping out not really.
     
  16. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    If Trump were still President he would be building a moat with alligators and laser-equipped sharks, and that would be at the White House. He'd probably have the Capitol building launched into orbit, with special contingents from the Space Force as permanent guards.
     
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    Do your family and friends not fall under the category of "Americans?"
     
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    No, if Trump was still president there wouldn't be any need for troops and razor wire in DC. The rightful president would be in office so business as usual.
     
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    The rightful President is in office, honestly elected by a clear majority of the people.
     
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    I hope you had a great weekend. I don't understand your question.
     
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    The LP can't agree on this issue. Many are for open borders and I just can't support that.
     
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    Well, what Trump ended up building was a fence. Border patrols didn't want his "big, beautifil wall" because they need to see through it. So they really just continued with a type of tall fencing that had already been used in large sections of the border.
     
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    You mean other than the fact that they were the same damn buildings used for exactly the same damn purpose?
     
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    To keep them with their parents, for starters. There was no purpose to that other than the cruelty as a deterrent, which failed utterly. Trump and friends underestimate the dire circumstances most of these people were fleeing, IMO.

    They did not need to be jailed. It could have been handled humanely, as was done in the past with whole families going to the border: give them a court date, get solid contact information in the meantime so we know where they are.

    https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/re...s-regularly-attend-immigration-court-hearings

    "In fiscal year 2018, Department of Justice (DOJ) figures show that 89 percent of all asylum applicants attended their final court hearing to receive a decision on their application. When families and unaccompanied children have access to legal representation, the rate of compliance with immigration court obligations is nearly 98 percent."

    There was no reason to change that process. We just needed more judges, more advocates, and more administrative personnel to handle the increased numbers coming from strife-torn Central America.

    Instead, Trump continued to do what he's done from the start of his dampaign in 2015: make Americans hate and fear immigrants at the southern border. It was incredible to me that so many on this very forum twisted themselves into pretzels trying to justify Trump's child separation policy. How could anyone think it was not cruel and unnecessarily heartless?
     
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    Yes. Other than that fact.
     

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