Everyone driving electric cars----------what a joke.

Sorry I asked.

 

Limbaughtomy was a known DRUG ADDICT who DROPPED out because he was a total LOSER!

He LIED about people and called them names and embraced RACISM.

If he is your EXAMPLE of what it means to be a "true conservative" then that says VOLUMES about just how LOW they have stooped.

Sad!

 

You didn't come up with anything better than the garbage you normally spew. Sad!

 

Not my problem if your ZERO is a drug addled LOSER who LIED for a living.

FACTS matter!

 

Yes they do. Your partisanship blinds you to them.

 

Oh, the IRONY coming from a SUPPORTER of TWO of the WORST liars to ever infest our nation.

 

You are wrong. I do not support Pelosi and Cuomo.

 

Another asinine kneejerk denialism response!

Sad!

 

Really?

Funny, but electric utility grids and power plants are SUPPOSED to be able to continue running when every light and motor is running, so a lot of expensive redundancy is built into the system.

I suppose watching your chicks freeze in a chicken house you can’t heat, and watching your pipes burst because they froze is the “price of progress”. in flat earth world.

Dismissing people’s suffering and complaints as if it was a “price of progress” may work when the technology is new.

But this is not the case.

In fact, the collapse of Texas’ ancient and mismanaged electrical grid is going to be a watershed moment in the history of energy use in the US.

Because if this crisis demonstrated one thing, it demonstrated the unnecessary and potentially catastrophic risks of clinging to century old technology and trying to argue that it is the only solution.

 

We have to come up with a whole lot of money - and we have to do it fast - which may well be what these folks are trying to do.

The OP is about electric vehicles - which at the rate we are going .. will not put much of a dent into car emissions for at least a decade - if everything goes right and that is not happening .. and by "dent" I mean 25%

Road Transport "Total" is around 12% of total CO2 emissions .. so in 10 years .. best case .. we have a 3% reduction -- best and wildly optimistic case.

The reality is that oil consumption is expected to "Increase" until at least 2030.

In the meantime - industrialization and population growth are destroying the Ocean - at an increasingly alarming rate - a tipping point that will be reached far sooner than the CO2 tipping point .. both of which are bad .. CO2 is also increased by industrialization and population growth .. that .. if we do not stop .. right now .. we will never get there .. as the increase in CO2 and Ocean Pollution is increasing .. not decreasing.

So right now -- if we ask how long it will take to get from Las Vegas to California - and I tell you that we are driving towards Florida - how do you answer the question .. or estimate length of time.

We first have to be driving towards California - and we are not there yet - nor doing the things that we need to do in order for the car to get in the right direction.

Go electric all you like - but if in the meantime .. CO2 and Ocean Pollution is increasing .. what good does it do you ?

Biden's plan is to do just that .. go Electric while doing nothing about industrialization and Population growth directly - and implementing policies that will indirectly increase Ocean Pollution and CO2 .. policy such as blocking the Keystone.

 

You are making the erroneous ASSUMPTION that it is ONLY vehicles that will have an impact on reducing CO2 emissions.

 

I did not assume that only cars will have an impact ? . Merely used cars as one example - of how little impact we are having in that area .. and how long it is taking.

Point being - we need to move faster - in case that was not clear.

I commented on total emissions - along with Pollution which folks often ignore - and stated the root cause which underlies this continued increase.

This is not an assumption - it is a statement of fact that CO2 and Ocean Pollution is increasing not decreasing.

 

It is fun to needle you with things you consider sad.

 

Of. Course. It will evolve slowly as the infrastructure allows. The whining from the right about EVs crowding out the power grid is a farce because the change over happens slowly.

Hybrids have been on the market for more then a decade. Nearly every car maker now offers hybrid technology and one of the worlds largest auto makers, Toyota offers some of its models only in Hybrid form. You want a mini van from Toyota ? Only comes in Hybrid. Hybrids are EVs at low speeds. Gradually as the technology of electrification improves, the role of the electric motor increases.

In the RAV4 prime, the most sought after model in the most widely sold none truck vehicle in the US, it’s an electric car only for commuting distances of 40 miles a day. That’s up to 80 miles if you recharge at work. You can literally drive them as EVs their entire life. And, every car maker offers at least on variant. BTW, the hybrid is Toyota’s second fastes car.

You have been sleeping. The sales of hybrids has been increasing without stop by one million every year. Will it take while to replace ICE cars ? Of course. But only be as it they are already on the road.

So in ten years, electrification will easily put a dent in the passenger car market....not long haul. At least 25% of total private car power WILL BE ELECTRIC.

IN TEN YEARS, if you and I are alive and buying a new car, it will be stupid not to buy a hybrid in every non commercial vehicle ( which will be an EV more then 1/2 its road time.) or EV alone.

a hybrid doesn’t need a 200 mile ev range....just commuting distance....aand it’s still an EV.

 

It will be interesting over the long haul if hybrid-electrics and EV's actually gain significant market share, at what point does the demand on gas/diesel drop to levels that question the viability of the oil/gas business? As this unfolds, less demand usually signifies lower consumer prices. However, oil companies simply are not viable when oil prices fall below certain prices. What happens then? Government intervention of subsidies? Bankruptcy of oil companies? Perhaps a period of rising consumer prices? Low to no supply? Wherever that point takes place, I suspect there will remain lots of vehicles that require oil/gas, requiring again government intervention and subsidies, and I suspect very high consumer prices. It will be an interesting transition which I believe will span a couple of decades or more...

 

25% was my super Optimistic number - and a hybrid is far from an EV

The current new sale penetration in North America is roughly 2% -- up from roughly 1% 10 years ago ... so forgive me for claiming that by by 2030 - 8 years and 10 months away - 25% is "Super" Optimistic.

I just don't see the path - "Unless" - there is a massive cash injection as described - and this is simply not happening.

Lets say we manage to double the rate of EV sales - adding 2% in 10 years .. tell you what .. lets quadruple the rate and add 2% in 5 years.

This gets us to roughly 4% - in 5 years = 3 years 10 months left - to get to 25%.

Now - the problem with getting to 4% in 5 years .. is that we don't have the technology right now - battery technology is not there yet - albeit getting there rapidly .. meaning - they are working really hard ... and some of the new innovations - Solid State and so on should be commercially available in 3-4 years. (knock on wood).

Then we have the problem of price - cost of vehicle and cost of electricity... doubling the demand for lithium and and various rare earths will cause a massive spike in the price of these materials .. massive .. and building a new mine takes 5 years .. once you have found a suitable deposit.

Then there will have to be a massive spend on charging stations - and these need to be there "NOW" to have a hope of getting to 4% in 5 years .. so we need to be seeing these things pop up like .. Yesterday .. and this is not happening.

Then once we do have the infrastructure - who will buy these cars ?

Many of those who were in the market for an EV able to afford it - in a suitable geography and location - have already got them .. and in these locations there is some infrastructure in place ...

How many folks driving EV's in Chicago ?

Then .. you have the production capacity increase - which doesn't happen over night. There are too many issues right now - some of which are very difficult to solve..

Sans - some major change = Massive Capital Injection ... and this is not happening - nor being discussed .. mostly lipstick on a pig at this point..

So it will be very tough - albeit possible - to get to 4% in 5 years ... 25% is simply not happening by 2030 -

Folks were saying the same thing in 2010 .. OH . .. by 2025 we will be fully electric -- off fossil fuels. and we went from 1% to 2%. thus-far.

Industrialization and Population growth are the two main root cause issues - and these are not being addressed.

Even if we were to solve the EV issue - say by 2040 .. that is only 6% - call it 10% with other road transportation. We still have to figure out how to produce power - fossil free .. and Biodiesel doesn't count - as is just as bad as regular fossil - possibly worse.

One of the Two founders of Greenpeace left - because politics was driving the agenda rather than science - Said we need to start building nuclear right now .. and got huge flack .. the anti nuke people are finally starting to fade into the paneling .. as it becomes clear that this is the only way to get us powered up - in a reasonable period of time.

Blue Agenda is also driven by Politics rather than Science .. and this is unfortunate.

 

The massive cash injection is taking place RIGHT NOW as GM ,Ford, Volvo and virtually all large automobile manufacturers are actively moving to EV's and improving battery technology to emphasize better recharge times and longevity of the batteries. Huge strides have already been made. China has a $4500 4 paasenger EV that outsells Tesla more than 2 to 1. While it only comes with 2 options either a 75 mile maximum battery or a 110 mile fully charged battery, it's top speed is only 62 MPH, a greadt vehicle for city dwellers who don't travel too far.

 

Yeah. I long for the good ole days before the climate changed, the days when we had lots of snow and cold whether.

 

Ya mean the logistics of flying a chopper to spray the wind turbines and solar panels with chemicals?

There's no excuse for the Nukes, but there is a limit to how much non-dispatchable power the grid can tolerate without causing rolling blackouts when the sun isn't shining and wind isn't blowing.

 

You can’t be serious. You have no idea what a plug in hybrid is do you. Even a normal hybrid is 1/3 electric car. It would be good if you read up on hybrids. PLUG IN HYBRIDS ARE FULL BORE EVS with range extending gas motor. If a gas motor also supplements the drive unit or charges the battery, it’s a hybrid.

A hybrid can easily have 25% be electric.

the ratio of battery range to fossil fuel range in creases as battery technology improves. Hybrids literally can easily do much better then 25% power for electric drive.

 

My wife sent me to the Petsmart today to pick up some cat food. There I saw a Tesla SUV and I parked next to it. There was a woman sitting inside at the wheel. I went into the store and when I returned she was still there behind the wheel. I knocked on her window and asked if she was OK. She say she ran out of battery and had called a tow truck to take her and her car home. She was waiting for it to arrive. I wished her luck and went on my way.

 

Gee, I knocked on the window of an suv parked by the post office. The driver had run out of gasoline.

 

Of course. Electric cars are only 2% of the total. They are downright scarce. If she had run out of gas, she could have walked 150 yards to a gas station and borrowed a can.

 

In many major cities in the world, far more then 25% are already moved around by electric cars. They’re called subways.,

 

Hybrids aren’t scarce. And neither are plug-in hybrids.which run on batteries just like EVs. I bet over the years you’ve parked near many and never knew it . They just drive away when their battery runs down. I Find deniers of science really don’t understand much about EVs and hybrids.