The Left's Crazed Revolution Is A Threat To All

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  1. garyd

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    But I don't follow O'Rourke. I do however recognise wisdom when I see it even in unlikely sources. After all God even used Caiphas to utter prophecy even though no one in the room, including Caiphas, understood it at the time.
     
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    We were promised 3 million dead if we didn't do something apparently we did. Oh and the overwhelming majority of casualties were in blue states whose governors implemented Draconian lock downs to little or no effect. You apparently missed the part where I said it was already 5 to 8 months to late for lock downs to be effective when they were implemented.

    One last thing neither Trump nor any other president has the authority to, nor the enforcement power to compel lock downs on his own authority.
     
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    No one can create universally prosperity. There are always going to be people who either cannot or will not contribute to the common good, unless in the latter case the incentive are quite good. The average business man provides more to the common good that a hundred bureaucrats even more if he has competitors.
     
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    Wrong.

    SOcialism fails everywhere democratic or not and is never fair
     
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    Because the US is superior.
     
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    The numbers don't matter. What I stated was true. 5 - 7 died, most of whom would still be alive, but for Donald Trump.

    How they died doesn't matter, that they died, and that they would still be alive, but for Trump, that is what matters.

    If it's not millions, but it a hundred thousand or so, it doesn't matter, but for Trump, there would not have been any damage.

    But for Trump, a third of the electorate would not believe the election was rigged. That's serious damage to this nation that Trump has caused that many people to believe it. They are victims, but they don't even know it.

    Trump has damaged America far more than any president in history.
     
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    Define socialism.
     
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    Nonsense. They would not necessarily be alive if not for Donald. If Bernie isn't to blame for the loser that shot up the Republican ball practice and Maxine isn't to blame for the riots, then Trump. Isn't to blame for the capitol riot.
     
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    With or without Trump most people have serious misgivings about the electoral process in this country about half if it favored voter id well before Trump came down the elevator. By the way nothing Trump said would have mattered if people weren't predisposed to believe it well before Trump ever showed up on the scene.
     
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    I keep getting mixed messages on what socialism is these days. On threads asking if National Socialism is socialism the left says no because in socialism all of the means of production are owned by the government, but in every other thread, like this one, socialism is simply the government directing privately owned means of production for reasons. So, are you arguing that "France Italy Spain Germany Russia Scandinavia" are socialist?
     
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    False comparisons. The riots were a reaction to police brutality, they sure as hell were not the result of Maxine Waters speech designed to get people to be rude to a few republicans in restaurants, done on one occasion . Bernie never spoke in incendiary inciting language on any level or any kind, ever.

    Nothing any democrat ever did equaled Trump's telling 74 million americans, for over a year, week after week, at every rally, on every appearance on television, that the only way democrats can win is to rig the election, before any ballot was ever cast, that democrats are stealing the election, that they are committing fraud, that they intend on destroying America, that they intend on eliminating the right to own a gun, a narrative so wrong, so untruthful, a heinous rhetoric to a degree of which was hitherto unheard of by any candidate in history, is not a 'standard old school pep talk'. It created the mantra, the welling anger, the volcanic juggernaut that erupted on Jan 6, a directed mission to 'stop the steal' and resulted in millions in damage and 5 - 7 deaths.
    It's felony murder and incitation of insurrection against the united states

    So, let's get something straight:

    Nothing any democrat ever did equaled that.

    But for Donald Trump, there would not have been an attack on the capitol, and most if not all who perished would still be alive.

    You're just going to have to deal with that hard, cold, but very true, fact.

    Donald Trump is 100% responsible for what occured on Jan 6.
     
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    That's odd, every time I ask a republican to define socialism, they tell me it is where the government owns all the means of production and distribution.
    when I ask a democrat that question, they point to the netherlands, most of the time. I think you got it backwards.
    These days? Republicans have been calling democrat's social justice oriented programs as 'socialism' since FDR. "These days" my ass.

    By Republicans accusations of democrats, they say we are socialist. But all we want are many of the things that the Netherlands and European countries have. Because of this, republicans call democrats 'socialist', and after all, the far left in the DNC call themselves 'democratic socialist', but when republicans speak of them, they deliberately fail to mention 'democratic' and try and paint them as Stalinist Russian /Venezuela type of socialism, which is not what dems are proposing whatsoever. When we tell repubs of that fact, then they say, 'well, what dems want will lead to Venezuela. No, it won't. Every (or most) totalitarian systems that came into being was by a coup or a revolution . There is NEVER (or hardly ever) a 'gradual change' to totalitarianism. In fact, the most inert and least volatile place a society can be is at the center. Why? Where does the pendulum rest? Answer: It rests upon arriving at dead center.

    But, when a democrat points out that the residents of those countries prefer their system over that of Americas, republicans will declare that those countries are capitalists ( and they are , but they socio-capitalist, i.e., a mixed economy ). In other words, you can't win with republicans.

    On wikipedia, if you print to pdf the two entries on socialism, it occupies all of 150 pages.

    So, it has many definitions, the least of which is simple dictionary entry.

    So, democrats basically want government sponsored programs for the things the government does well, ie., critical needs, and capitalism for non critical wants, because that is what capitalism is good at, and none of it has anything to do with Venezuela or Stalin.
     
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    Have you read McElligot's Pool:
     
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    Only republicans favored it, because, of course, it's tends to shrink the electorate, noting that it's well established that the fewer people who vote, the better the chances are for republicans. in fact, here is a video of a few different republican operatives admitting to that very point;

    Here's what your point fails to understand:

    Yes, they were there, before Trump, but they were basically an inert mass. in the 60s / 70s they were the John Birchers, but Granddaddy republican Bill Buckley made sure they stayed on the fringe.

    What Trump, being the opportunist lusting for power he was, what he did was galvanize them, he grabbed that group and by, galvanizing them, he hijacked the GOP into an ugly mass, all that lurked in the mud sprung forth, and he did it so much they took off their hoods in the tiki march --'jews will not replace us' was their cry, and later they attacked the capitol and 5 - 7 people died, all of whom would still be alive but for Donald Trump.
     
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    First off, Trump had 0% responsibility for what occurred on Jan 6th where only one death resulted from an action by a rioter. The leftist run BLM & Antifa were responsible for some 35 murders (some police) throughout the last 9 months or so. Do you know how many of those murderers are doing time for their acts? Probably about zero. Lest we forget the looting and burning down of small businesses at the hands of those lefties. Lets not forget that our brilliant vice president cumula made it a point to release many of those mobsters-terrorists who were being held in prison for their criminal acts.

    Would your reasoning of having Trump responsible for the acts of others be the same as having biden be responsible for all the unnecessary deaths that are currently happening at our southern border because of his lax immigration policy of cancelling all of Trump's amazingly successful protective border policies? You wouldn't make for a very effective prosecuting attorney if you were to hold Trump accountable for any of the crime committed on Jan 6th...for you would lose that case.

    And Trump was right all along as it was a rigged election that I mentioned before as he didn't have enough time to go through the court system before the time of the election date. The 74 million Trump voters are well aware of this, and are well aware of the rigging as we saw the fraud live on FOX TV, nightly. Of course you wouldn't have seen the fraud since you and other leftists only watch fake TV and listen to fake news as presented by the lame street media.

    So those people at the Capitol were of course upset at the rigging of the election, but the criminal acts they are being accused of pale in comparison to the leftist criminality heaped upon cities all across America for nearly a year now.

    BTW, Trump said he wanted those protestors to go to the capitol building in a peaceful manner--something the lame street media refused to mention. So Trump would have zero responsible for other peoples' actions for the Jan 6th riot. ZERO!!!!!!!
     
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    In the threads about if the Nazi's were socialist? Anyway what Republicans think isn't the issue is it?

    No one cares that Democrats want free stuff; we all know that. That wasn't the issue.
     
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    They are not socialists. You're beating a dead horse, anyway.
    Actually, no one cares what you think democrats want.

    Social justice programs are designed to lift people in some way. Your trivializing them as 'wanting free stuff' would be like me saying the Manhatten Project was about some guys wanting to blow things up.

    As if, see, there you sit, in a broad stroke, from FDR, Social Security Medicare, you smugly assert 'dems want free stuff'.

    No, my 92 year old mother needs to not die of starvation or lack of medical care.
     
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    I certainly wish the "Left" would embrace a combination of private sector free enterprise on one hand, and government policy intervention including a Job Guarantee on the other; and then the Left would be able to avoid these contradictions and arguments over definitions.

    So I have no problem agreeing "National Socialism" WAS socialist; and in fact the rise of Germany after the defeat of WW1 was nothing less than miraculous, regaining its status as the most powerful nation in Europe in less than 2 decades, with full employment and the most advanced highway system in the world. while "capitalist" US was mired in the Great Depression.

    Unfortunately, Hitler's economic nous was not matched by his political nous.....
     
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    The above is what happens when someone responds to a comment that I responded to from someone else. You of course have a right to make your comment, but if you can't follow the context, it makes your comments and arguments seem like gibberish. I wasn't talking even remotely about FDR, Social Security, or anything else that you are mulling about.
     
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    We were wrong, diversity is more important:
     
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    The above is what happens when someone mulls about the following:

    No one cares that Democrats want free stuff; we all know that

    No, we don't all know that. You did write that, and to that singular point I respond, and the original conversation is irrelevant, I'm responding to PRECISELY your total lack of respect of social programs designed to lift people up, since that is what you are ever so cavalierly and smugly revealing by stating such in that manner. Now, you don't have to agree with them, that wouldn't bother me, but IF you are going to TRIVIALIZE them, I don't give a damn about what your ****ing original conversation was, you are going to hear from me.
     
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    No, the right, these days, have drifted so far to the right that anything other than police, fire, and the military, IF it's the left advocating it, we are all comrades goose-stepping to the Soviet National Anthem via piped in music from Venezuela.
    NAZIs were never socialists.

    https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

    Were the Nazis socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly not after 1934. But to address this canard fully, one must begin with the birth of the party.
    [...]
    Hitler allied himself with leaders of German conservative and nationalist movements, and in January 1933 German President Paul von Hindenburg appointed him chancellor. Hitler’s Third Reich had been born, and it was entirely fascist in character. Within two months Hitler achieved full dictatorial power through the Enabling Act. In April 1933 communists, socialists, democrats, and Jews were purged from the German civil service, and trade unions were outlawed the following month.


    Hitler hijacked the socialist workers party and included the term in his new party's name merely for propaganda value. If He truly believed in socialism, he would have nationalized ( as all socialist takeovers do) The Krupp industries, which he did not. He directed their production, just as we did to industry during the war effort, but that is not socialism, per se, that was due to national security reasons. They totally allowed free enterprize under NAZI-ism. Kristalnacht wasn't an anti-business act, it was anti-jew. Hitler's germany followed the fascist model, he admired fascist regimes so he adopted it for Germany.
     
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    Tellingly you left out the other part of my response:

    "No one cares that Democrats want free stuff; we all know that. That wasn't the issue."

    There, fixed it.
     
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    Moral minority indeed:
     
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