White supremacy a 'transnational threat', U.N. chief warns

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  1. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    The millions of teachers across the country who have gone back to in-person teaching should praised for doing the right thing, and they have my respect for putting the well being of children above the slight risk they're taking in returning to their schools.

    The millions of teacher who want to go back to school, but are basically being used as bargaining chips in the teachers' unions covid extortion racket, they have my sympathy.

    The millions of histrionic drama queen teachers who are fighting against returning to school for reasons of selfishness and/or cowardice and/ or laziness, have earned themselves nothing less than my disgust and disdain, and they've disgraced the reputations of teachers nationwide.
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    Speaking of caskets-

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    Can a child learn from a casket?
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    In summation-

    It's all Whitey's fault, even when it's not.

    ESPECIALLY when it's not.
     
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    If you peons would just drink the kool aid we wouldn't have to mandate kool aid drinking.
     
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    The risk isn't "slight" when you don't have PPE and you're older and/or have medical conditions that put you at risk. You know that, of course, because you (so you say) work around a hospital.

    Instead of supporting useless flotsam like these guys...

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    ... why don't you support teachers getting PPE like you have?
    If teachers are "extorting" the government, how come this is all they're paid...

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    Do you expect them to put students in situations that fall short of CDC guidelines?

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-childcare/index.html

    Just want to make sure you expect teachers to ignore their duty to act in loco parentis.

    Bottom line ... if the school can operate within CDC guidelines--and that means each and every classroom--it should operate for students who want to attend. If it stops meeting CDC guidelines, the classroom or school closes.

    The teachers themselves. Those with personal health concerns should teach students who prefer not to attend or those working part-time from home.
     
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    As I said, you wouldn't have to wear a mask. All this useless flotsam...

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    ... had to do was use the Defense Production Act make sure PPE like this was available in sufficient quantity for purchase...

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    The above and a mask can be had for less than $50. Wear this properly and you almost for sure won't get covid. Now, if you want to take your chances...

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    ... you wouldn't have to wear a mask.
     
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    Okay, I wasn't going to lead you to it, because I thought you might get around to it by yourself once you got all the drama-queen teacher ranting, and argument-by-cartoon childishness, out of your system, but it seem like your supply of both is inexhaustible.

    I guess I'll have to steer you towards it-

    Ahem.

    The kids. Remember them?

    In all the ranting you're done in this thread, you haven't addressed the negative impact, distance learning, and the teachers refusing to go back to schools is having on the kids.

    Very telling.
     
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    No in summary: we are all racist (the tribal instinct) and persist in chasing one another down these hideous rabbit holes.

    It's a lazy and easy diversion from the real problem, namely, the reality of systemic economic disadvantage.

    Which of course the Right deny... preferring to notice "how violent/irresponsible blacks are"... without caring to examine causes and effects.
     
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    I already noted covid-19 is a pansy, alongside the black death.

    But the fact remains, to stop the spread of a deadly contagious virus, then the passage of that contagion has to be stopped, by social social distancing. and minimization of social contact.

    The analogy is faulty. There is no "other track"; social distancing and elimination of crowding is all that is required on the ONE track.

    Note: economic considerations are irrelevant, because the government itself can fund the essential economy (food, rent mortgages, utilities) as long as people have to stay distanced from one another, so in fact there need have been NO trade-off between the need to earn money, and loss of life to the virus. That's just terrible, obsolete free market economics. A pandemic requires a VERY LIMITED market (for essentials) .... and meanwhile people can keep healthy, exercise, cook at home, learn on the internet. etc.

    No, kids educated at home or in classrooms with limited numbers if parents have to work etc.

    And society? Well, it depends on your perception of a lock-down, and whether you want to save lives...or alternatively...... following your two track view of saving lives, which includes the option followed in the US....costing half a million lives.

    Anyway Texas is "experimenting" with an early "opening up" again. We will see the results soon. Hopefully the vaccine roll-out will stay ahead of the virus.
     
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    Speaking of "preferring to notice"-

    Look at the thread title.

    All the navel gazing you've done, and you haven't even come close to addressing the central topic of the thread- the reality of just how much of a threat white supremacists actually pose to the US at large.

    Do you prefer not to notice?
     
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    And it isn't it obvious why I prefer to notice how violent blacks are? Because black violence is a far bigger problem, that effects far more Americans than white supremacist terrorism.

    If you're being attacked by 1000 grizzly bears and 2 squirrels, which would it be more prudent to notice, and focus upon, the problem of the bears or the squirrels?
     
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    Can't you see, I've lost interest in the OP? It's a convenient diversion for you to avoid looking at the real problems facing us all, centered on systemic disadvantage and looming ecological collapse, not to mention drowning in our own garbage.
    Which is why you prefer to characterize an examination of the causes of racial animosity, and high black incarceration/poverty/unemployment rates in particular, as "navel gazing".

    Meanwhile of course international intelligence and security/police organizations ARE very concerned about "white supremacists" and other hate groups at present , including ongoing threats to the Capitol itself. Keeps them all busy, I suppose...
     
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    I just demonstrated that there are alternative methods to prevent transmission. "Has to be" is an assessment that you have made, not an assessment everyone must make.

    There are plenty of tracks. The trolley problem is one of action vs inaction. The government can take action, or it can allow individuals to take action. The government can steer the train, or it can not steer the train. The direction(s) government steers are multivariate. Thus there are infinite tracks.

    That's a pretty narrow minded assessment of what people can do. Many people cannot cook at home, learn at home, or keep healthy at home. They are in line to get squished by the train.

    You intend to save lives while ignoring the lives that are lost due to your policy. At least you feel good about it.
     
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    The kids are committing suicide because they see no future. If the government promised them an above-poverty Job Guarantee as a base for employment after the pandemic, and full financial support for their families during the pandemic, suicides would drop remarkably.
     
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    Medical experts have said this is "how it has to be"...if the community wants to maximize its survival rates in the pandemic. That YOU don't want to maximize the survival rate in the community is your business.

    Disproved above. To maximize survival in a pandemic you have to minimize social contact

    It's what HAS to be done. Can't cook? If you are hungry, you will find an internet video to teach you how, fast enough ...necessity is the mother of invention.

    My policy minimizes lives lost. Incontestable fact. Also note my comment in the post above:

    "The kids are committing suicide because they see no future. If the government promised them an above-poverty Job Guarantee as a base for employment after the pandemic, and full financial support for their families during the pandemic, suicides would drop remarkably."


    Your policy has cost half a million lives. Btw, Trump's rallies themselves cost innumerable lives by propelling the 2nd wave....
     
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    Your attacks on teachers ... :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

    Your continuing support for this pig..

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    ... is even more disgusting.

    Teachers should teach "in school" if, and only if, the school is operating within CDC guidelines.


    You can't expect teachers to underwrite bringing students into unsafe schools, even if you try to buy them off with vaccinations.

    Get rid of maggots like Abbott, DeSantis, and Noem and stop supporting pond scum like Trump.

    500,000 dead Americans isn't enough for you?
     
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    Medical experts are not so sure. Beyond that, again, this is a multivariate problem. Medical experts are not the only experts that need to be consulted to affect the long term result. For example, statistical experts are up in arms about the vaccine schedule. It's statistically more sound to vaccinate twice as many people with a single dose that provides 80% coverage, than it is to vaccinate half as many people with two doses that provide 95% coverage. It's statistically more sound to test large numbers of people with a less accurate rapid test than it is to test the same amount of people with a more accurate test that takes days to process. Just because you're an expert at something, that does not make you an expert at everything.

    That's hardly disproved. You've narrowed the meaning of survival to: did not contract a virus. Those are not the only conditions someone needs in order to survive.

    It's not what has to be done. If it was what has to be done, you wouldn't have to force people to do it. The only reason you have to force people is that they disagree with you that it has to be done. Do I agree with wearing masks? Yes. Would I point a gun at someone and shoot them if they didn't? No. But that's what government is. It's a big gun you can use to force people to do what you want. And what I'm hearing from you is that you're not considering how the consequences of what you want play out and affect other people.

    Only if you ignore the lives lost as a consequence of your decision. It's an easy thing to do since a causal link cannot be effectively established, but that doesn't mean it wasn't the cause.
     
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    I have heard intelligence reports have no information suggesting on-going threats to our Capitol. Where are you getting this info from?
     
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    The kids are committing suicide because of the social isolation resulting from schools being shut down, and teachers' union resisting the reopening of schools.

    Once again, you're navel gazing rather than paying attention to the obvious.
     
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    From the smell of it, I think I can guess.
     
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    Yes, I did notice that you lost interest in central theme of this thread rather quickly once logic was applied, and facts were presented. You seem the type that losses interest in harsh realities quickly, and goes back to gazing at your navel.
     
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    And the solution to black violence is...? Enforcement of 'Law and Order', without dealing with the causes?

    Of course, you always have the 2nd amendment as insurance.......

    Be my guest: keep "noticing how violent blacks are", and refuse to engage your brain.

    The US will become an object lesson in the failure of democracy, as mindless, self-interested ideologies tear the nation apart. Even now apparently the area around the Capitol looks like the green Zone in Baghdad.
     
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    Already having found the solution to death, it's time to set our sights on violence!

    Tell me, how would you recognize the solution if someone told it to you? What if the medical experts disagree?
     
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    US Capitol police warn of possible militia plot to breach Congress (yahoo.com)

    "Security has been ramped up at the US Capitol in Washington in response to "a possible plot to breach" the building.

    The move was prompted by intelligence that a militia group planned the attack for 4 March - the day conspiracy theorist group QAnon believes Donald Trump will return for a second term.

    The House of Representatives cancelled Thursday's session, but the Senate will continue with its agenda".
     
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    The way forward requires recognition of the association between generational/systemic poverty, unemployment, crime; and economic inequality
    manifested as vast wealth alongside entrenched poverty.

    Therefore, medical experts as such are not required; social scientists and economists capable of solving the above issues are.
     
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