City student passes 3 classes in four years, ranks near top half of class with 0.13 GPA

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  1. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    So stating a statistical fact is now advocating we make it harder for single mothers and treat them like crap?

    What I advocate for is educating the Black community of the detriment to the community itself of normalizing out of wedlock births and single parent (usually mother) households. If that means hurting some feelings then by all means.

    I'll speak frank here, I grew up in these communities and spent part of my childhood in the very place attending the very schools mentioned in the OP. The majority of my family to this day still lives in the slums of inner city Baltimore Maryland and from what I can tell the place has gotten WORSE since when I had the unfortunate pleasure of living there many years ago. Yet the Baltimore school district if the 4th most funded in the nation, it ain't the money that's the problem it's the culture.

    So I'll give in, and if you believe what I'm saying is making it harder from Black single mothers then by all means, Ill embrace it. I'll speak very clearly, single motherhood in the Black community is the number one leading cause of all the royal hell that the Black community experiences on a daily basis. Black men, fix yourselves, if you believe it's ok to have a "baby mama" then you are the problem and a detriment to the black community. You are not a real man if you think impregnating a Black woman and abandoning her and your child and sending them a paycheck is acceptable. If you ever do that at all which most don't. Black women, fix yourselves, if you believe it's ok to have a "baby daddy" and not a husband that you are the problem and a detriment to the black community. Have some self respect and discipline as a woman and some respect for the child you are going to be bringing into the world.

    Or keep beating around the bush and trying to figure out other solutions that won't work. You could have the entire US Federal Government ran by Black Nationalists and these inner city hell holes would still be hell holes if they don't change that mentality.

    Fix the damn family structure, stop believing it to be ok what Black folks lead the way in out of wedlock births and single parent households in America per capita.
     
  2. Melb_muser

    Melb_muser Well-Known Member Donor

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    And how's this to be done? Conservatives, more than anyone, advocate hands off from telling parents how to parent.
     
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  3. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Same way society did it with things like smoking and the same way society did it back when it was socially considered "abnormal" to have a child out of wedlock in years past. Stop making it culturally acceptable. Make it a bad thing or make it uncool or whatever folks respond to nowadays. Nobody in their right mind ever actually believed that smoking was healthy for you, it just simply wasn't frowned upon until recently.

    We respond to emotions way too much in modern society which is detrimental to society as a whole and the Black community suffers the most from this in damn near every category. Take a look at the "body positivity" campaign which promotes unhealthy BMI for the sake of "happiness". That too is a detriment to the Black community which once again is a statistic in which we reign supreme among Americans and we shouldn't be proud of. Stop promoting this new unhealthy society, both medically and socially, as the new normal and "acceptable" and go from there.
     
  4. Kal'Stang

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    My kids get a report card twice a year. End of each semester. But I do have access to the schools website where I can look up my kids grades at any time.
     
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    Not to mention Common Core completely changed how kids are taught. I teach my kids how I was taught and they will bring home an F. Not because the answers were incorrect. But because the way they have to show how they came about with the answer was changed, and that is part of the grade. My Aunt was a teacher in the western part of Washington and she quit when they instituted Common Core. She said it was garbage and was going to end up making kids stupider. She refused to teach it. Can't say I disagree with her with my experience with my kids. I'm having to constantly correct them on various things about history, English etc etc.
     
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    Melb_muser Well-Known Member Donor

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    I understand your point. However, the method by which you purport to achieve that goal is unclear. I know very little about the u.s. in terms of these programs, but I imagine there are pregnancy and safe sex awareness programs a-plenty?

    Again, I don't know which campaigns you're talking about specifically, but my understanding of the positive body campaign is that it's about focusing on a health and eating well, rather than a specific physical outcome. Different women and men have different genetic potential in terms of body shape and there are also deep-seated psychological contributions as well. Body shaming obviously has not been effective, however I don't believe that focusing on certain body weights or shapes as outcome is always constructive either.

    I think that the extremes that we see, i.e. the celebrations of being morbidly obese and eating whatever you want that we see on Twitter and Instagram that are picked up by the tabloid media is an outlier. I really think that this is the norm.

    It's a big problem, going beyond the scope of this conversation, because is a whole lot of advertising and marketing that makes money from promoting fattening foods. I suggest it is sometimes difficult for uneducated people to make good choices, when they are bombarded with bad choices.
     
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  7. Nightmare515

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    Sex education is available in schools yes but as is the topic of the thread the schools themselves are not particularly valuable in terms of learning for Black children in the inner city ghetto in the US. You could legitimately have a world renowned scholar come teach Black children in the inner city ghetto's of America and still no learning would be taking place. These are not schools for learning, they are holding pens for little monsters for 7 hours a day.

    What is deemed culturally acceptable and unacceptable is based on the culture of a society, not the school system of the inner city ghetto. Why has smoking cigarettes declined so much among Americans in general and in America's youth in general regardless of race? Because society itself decided to take a stand and shame smoking for it's ill health effects. Back when I was in school smoking was "cool", many of us did it behind the gym between classes and at house parties. We were the "cool" kids, even commercials on TV made cigarettes seem "cool" and masculine. Nowadays smoking is "gross", you aren't a cool kid if you smoke you are looked down upon. The commercials for smoking have completely disappeared from TV and other media and most public businesses have banned smoking from their establishments.

    This will sound harsh but decades ago bearing children out of wedlock was heavily frowned upon and shamed. It was not "ok" in society and most went to great lengths to avoid that for no other reason than because society would look upon them negatively for that. Nowadays we have made it perfectly normal. Single motherhood (and in some cases fatherhood) is the new "normal", it's perfectly fine, and having a problem with that is "mean" so we don't do it even though every statistic and study out there points to the fact that a child raised in a household with two married parents is most beneficial to the child and his/her development.

    The body positivity campaign is mostly about "making one comfortable in their own body regardless of how unhealthy (beautiful) it is". Granted much of that extends from the unrealistic portrayal of supermodels on everything looking like 100lb Barbie dolls in years past. However, we have gone too far with many depictions nowadays to where not only are "normal" BMI humans shown on the cover of magazines but flat out unhealthy obese BMI people are shown also as an example of "love yourself for who you are". No, that is flat out incorrect, it is not "ok" to be obese and that is not healthy and we should not be promoting that as such by plastering overweight people on magazines aimed at young adults. The Black community once again suffers the most per capita in America for obesity, hypertension, and heart disease, all of which are a result of obesity and an unhealthy lifestyle.

    What folks tend to not realize is that Black Americans tend to rank number 1 in nearly every "bad" statistical category per capita ranging from obesity to out of wedlock births to murder. It's time we stop beating around the bush with kid gloves out of fear of offending folks and start addressing the actual reasons behind this if we are serious about fixing these issues. Or we can keep walking on eggshells because telling the truth is "mean" or "racist" and we will continue to see nothing change in places like Baltimore.

    Baltimore has gotten WORSE throughout the years regardless of which political party is in power in Washington and even regardless of having a Black President of the United States for 8 years. That must tell you something. Politics and money can't fix this, the culture must be changed and that begins at home with the traditional family structure being reestablished.
     
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    ~ A very sad situation all too common in society. When people who are not prepared financially or intellectually have children we should not be surprised at these outcomes. Unfortunately some do not think ahead and make poor decisions. Of course they need help and there should be a safety net for this.
    I hope these kids get remedial education in an adult school environment concurrently with job skill assessment and professional counseling - but this is very unlikely. The best chance for them will probably be the military.
    You know what they say : " Your tax dollars at work ..."

    { Some very thoughtful comments here .:thumbsup: }
     
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    It was a good post which I appreciated reading.

    There have indeed been fundamental changes in family formation patterns in high-income countries during the past 50 years or so, including lower marriage rates, increasing number of premarital births, and nonmarital cohabitation. I think that this is fairly universal throughout wealthier countries and on basis I think, frankly, the traditional family structure is not going to be re-established as the universal norm - unless we start sterilising women who are not willing or capable of finding good husbands. We need to move forward with what we have.

    Other countries/cultures/demographic groups seem to have done a little bit better with the breakdown of the family unit than baltimore, so I would suggest there is a bit more than this at play. Anecdotally, I was partnered to a single mother and she did a great job. The daughter is doing very well. I'm contrast my partner's sister was married, however the sister' children really struggled. So the single mother, in this instance, did a better job.

    it's worth noting that the family unit is a bit of an artificial thing. We are actually tribal by nature, which allows a lot of shared child-rearing and other advantages. I think this is a bit beyond the scope of our conversation, though.
     
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    Further evidence that being capable or reproducing does not make one a parent.
     
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    Once black culture decided that a "baby daddy" was a normal thing, the black community was doomed.
     
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    Nonsense. "Traditional" family structures exist (and have always existed) in many different cultures, and many different races. The problem in the West is that we abandoned them. Or rather, were encouraged to believe we didn't need family/community to survive. You can thank the Welfare State for that. All part of the plan to dismantle structures which empower the people. Family, property ownership, etc.

    And yes, we do want to go 'back' there. Anyone who cares about the human condition should want it.
     
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    I don't think they decided as much as it was decided for them, or I should say they were bribed into it by our government. After the Civil Right Era, women in poverty could get government money for each child but would get zero money if a man lived under the same roof with the mother. A woman could get a guaranteed check, albeit for figurative peanuts, or rely on a man who may not be reliably employed in a regular job.

    The Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act were tremendous steps forward in legislating equality of opportunity for all Americans. Democrats never can do a great job and then leave things alone and let people grow into new freedoms as equals. As soon as Democrats said "free money for babies, but no men allowed", they totally destroyed black culture. And all for political power and a guaranteed voting block of dependents.

    Now add public schools where kids are not required to learn the basics generation after generation.
     
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    The problem with safe sex is that it isn't safe merely some what safer. The problem comes down to the difference between condoms in laboratory conditions, and condoms being used by two 16 year olds in the back seat of a car in the heat of passion.
     
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    You're preaching to the choir my man.
    More than fifty percent of the people on welfare are Caucasian, and the same pathologies occur to them. Increasingly the only differences between those groups are the gang tats.

    By the way, if dad does send money it comes out if the welfare check if the government knows about it. The last thing the government wants is people getting off that welfare plantation why they might even vote Republican...
     
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    I saw a story a month or two ago about the nuclear family being racist. The normalizing of destructive behaviors due to political correctness is killing us as is the demonizing of positive behaviors.
     
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    Back in the day when I lived in northern New Jersey I used to listen to Howard Stern, and one day he had a black guest who explained why blacks have so many kids out of wedlock and he said it was something called the Jewel In The Crown. In a nutshell, the idea is to have as many jewels (babies) with different females as possible. I've basically erased Stern from my memory, but that interview stuck with me for a long time.
     
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    It's no longer just African Americans either. We are increasingly a country gone way to far down the road to hedonism. Hedonism is the ultimate expression of selfishness aka sin. Such societies never long remain intact. The Chinese may well kick our ass not because they are bigger and better but because in the end we don't have enough people willing to leave the never ending party in order to defend it.
     
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    You might want to take this up with the local teacher's union. It seems they likely have something to say about this.
     
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    Got a problem with this.... 0dc3d3d1e6eb260f2aa4f57ba14e52c7--vintage-family-photos-black-families.jpg
     
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    My Bro gets a weekly report of what grade average is on all his 5 boys via smartphone!
     
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    What does posting a cartoon from the 50's or 60's prove?

    Before the government started bribing women to kick the man out of the home in exchange for steady money per child, black families had around 25% of black families headed by a single mother. That is not good, but the numbers skyrocketed after LBJ started handing out bribes.

    We certainly do not want to go back in history where minorities had fewer individual rights than white people, but going back to traditional cultural standards is probably the only thing that can save the cycle of poverty and violence in the black ghetto communities.

    Government did a good job at legislating equal opportunity for all, but is generally lousy at solving social and cultural issues.

    I would bet that these kids growing up around the Civil Rights Era made better lives for themselves than the kids growing up today in Baltimore. And yes, that is because of traditional family structure.


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    Oh no,, it's not just Africans who do this.

    A while back we were doing a site survey at a high school in lily white Claremont, CA. I was stunned to see teenage girls roaming the halls with babies, not two year olds, babies and taking them to class. Now how does a school teach about sex safety and avoiding unwanted babies without offending these kids? We all know they'll avoid making these kids feel bad and I'm sure the baby problem got worse since I was there.
     
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    If you'll check your calendar it's 2021, none of those things have been an issue for a LONG time.
     
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