Obama backs reparations for the first time and slams ‘politics of white resistance’

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    What does "culture" mean? And where does it come from? In other words, what elements participate in creating a "black culture" in this country, and that has lead them to (allegedly) committing more crimes?

    You're the one who has come closest to answering the question. Don't give up now....
     
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    If I have understood you correctly, Golem, you advocate the creation of a new variety of government handouts to Blacks -- and only to Blacks -- called "reparations", purely because Blacks commit more crimes...(?)

    You insist, repeatedly, that because an 'average White guy', like me, cannot explain to you WHY Blacks would want to commit more crimes (especially those involving drugs, evidently, and violence) that this inability to explain it justifies lavishing some huge, new handout program on Blacks...?! :psychoitc:

    Isn't there anything in your thought-process that makes you realize how illogical, imbalanced, and flat-out WRONG such theories are...?
     
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    You would be wrong. Starting by the fact that you (not me) were the one who stated that blacks commit more crimes. I am advocating for you to answer the question. And since your answer is that you don't know, I am advocating for you to find out! At least before you talk about reparations. Because the answer to that question is fundamental in such a debate.

    Wrong again! I am advocating that an "average White guy" like you should not lock yourself into a position regarding reparations (or anything, for that matter) without first finding out what the issue is.

    Don't let Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity, or similar... or even posters who just repeat their ignorance, make up your mind for you. Take position on issues by yourself. Not by just repeating what others say.
     
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    Judging by your comments here, I can tell you haven't read the book.
    READ THE BOOK.
    Then get back to me. :)
     
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    Moriah Well-Known Member

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    Thank you. I wonder why some people stop reading and studying once they are out of school? We should all continue to learn for as long as we live.
    I have learned more since I've been out of school than I learned while in it.
     
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    Answered this already
     
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    Where did you get the impression that I think there are more black people in prison than white people? It certainly wasn't from anything I said. It was what you said, and it's incorrect. There aren't more black people in prison than white people.

    You also said that skin color had nothing to do with it. Then you agreed with someone who said skin color had everything to do with it.

    I suggest you have an argument with yourself and figure out where you stand before trying to argue with others about it.
     
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    Your paltry 21 word reply to my lengthy, in-depth post was most disappointing, but not unexpected.

    Issue your doctrinaire dictum to someone else. Moriah. I don't need to read Alexander's book to know who she is or what she's pushing -- and WHY.

    I've made a fairly complete examination of manipulative liberals and what they are trying to do in this country all my long life, and I've rarely been wrong.
     
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    I have answered the question. You are attempting to fallaciously blame something that isn’t responsible. For instance, Asians have dealt with discrimination including being in camps. They do great.

    you won’t like hearing it, but you are wrong
     
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    Interesting you mention Sean Hannity. As I've said in many posts, I disagree fairly often with a variety of things Hannity says, especially in his lofty praises for the way that Trump handled the economy!

    Nevertheless -- man, how you liberal-Leftists love to dance! Long ago, I thought we had at least successfully cleared up the matter of who commits the most CRIME in this country. And, no, for the 1,000th time, it is not (NOT) Blacks -- who only make up ~14% of the population! But where Blacks 'excel' is in very disproportionately LARGE criminal involvement PER CAPITA! I've only said THAT about a thousand times, too!

    As much as we disagree about nearly everything, up until now I would have routinely accorded you the respect that I would to anyone who knows what the Latin phrase, "per capita" means... but now, I'm not at all so sure....

    So -- we can go back and cover the 'basic' basics: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/per-capita

    Next, you asked me if I knew WHY Blacks commit crimes (for the moment, let's forget what "most" crime consists of). I told you, point-blank, that, no, I have no idea WHY Blacks, or anyone else commits crimes, except that perhaps they think they can commit crimes and get away with it, or, that they don't even think about WHY they commit crimes at all!

    In ANY event, the sheer volume of Black crime in this country, and subsequent Black imprisonment has got nothing (NOTHING) to do with the outrageous, laughable, half-witted concept that the United States owes Blacks "reparations" because of slavery, which ended completely in this country in 1865, at the cost of over 600,000 lives -- the vast majority of which were WHITE!

    Afterthought: I think I'll check the Forum "Polls" section and see if anyone has opened a thread polling our members to see how many think that the United States should pay Blacks "reparations" for slavery. I will be as interested as you, perhaps,to see what the results are... and if there hasn't been one in a while, I may create one.... We need to settle this idiocy once and for all.
     
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    I wouldn’t say anything is is ever done once and for all in politics. Just done until the current norm is rebelled against and a new norm is created only to eventually be rebelled against as well.
     
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    Ask him why Liberian immigrants have less trouble staying out of prison. Many of them are actually escaping from modern day slavery.
     
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    Exactly.

    But in typical dem fashion they take a small amount of truth and build mountains of lies upon it. THEN justify present day discrimination with the lies.
     
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    I have created an opinion poll concerning the topic of "reparations" to Blacks in the U. S.

    It would also be interesting to create a somewhat similar poll asking if the U. S. should pay "reparations" to Japanese-Americans because of the way the Roosevelt regime incarcerated them during World War II. Unlike the Black 'slaves', there are a number of those Japanese people still very much alive -- and their descendants, too....

    And then maybe we should consider asking if "reparations" should be paid to the descendants of all East-Asians ("Oriental"), particularly from China, because of the horrific, bestial way that they were treated throughout the U. S. from the end of the Civil War, all the way through the end of World War II -- especially in the Western U. S.

    Consider: "Pandora's Box"
     
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    I am convinced that a good education is not one that teaches you a bunch of information. It's one that teaches you how to learn.

    I got my degree in Computer Science, my profession, about 40 years ago. Five years after I graduated, 90% of everything I had learned in school was already obsolete. Today the only thing useful I learned in school is how to stay up to date.
     
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    Well, I guess I assumed you knew facts.

    So once you understand that this is a fact maybe you can contribute something useful to this debate by letting us know your opinion of why that is. Or the same for other commonly known statistics. Such as the fact that blacks are arrested disproportionately more, are stopped more often by police for traffic violations, disproportionately less have a college degree, are more likely to be in poverty, ... and others. Any of those would work.

    If you don't know any of those facts, then I don't think you can contribute much to this debate. But thanks anyway.
     
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    How could you have already answered the question when I just now asked it?

    Ok... I get it. You have nothing to contribute. So anyway... thanks for playing....
     
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    Because you have asked it previously and I answered it directly.

    I have contributed, even if you didnt like my contribution debunking your preferred narrative.

    Support of reperations is inherently racist and discriminatory, doing so based on historic discrimination doesn't justify present day discrimination.
     
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    Get all the 'typing' exercise you like, Moolk, but remember -- this guy likes to dance.

    And, being a computer science major, he knows how to construct an "infinite do-loop".... :bounce:
     
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    Haha, I'm no stranger to it.
     
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    I do know facts. There are fewer black people in American prisons than white people in American prisons. I don't think you did your research at BJS.
     
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    Here's another statistic for you:. Most educated demographic in america. Black women.
     
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    That's the question.... Assuming that's true (and I don't know whether it is or it isn't, but it makes no difference either way)

    WHY? Why do blacks, as you say "'excel' in very disproportionately LARGE criminal involvement PER CAPITA! "?

    That's the question you need to answer before you can hope to contribute anything meaningful to this debate. I don't even mean that you need to answer to me. Most importantly to yourself. If you don't have this clear in your mind, you are simply not understanding the issue or reparations. Simple as that.
     
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    I said "disproportionately". So I see you're just not paying attention.
     
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    With all the sincerity I can muster in my jaded, old heart and mind, I tell you that the only real reason that anyone of any color commits crimes is because they are reasonably certain, based on the odds that relate to a specific situation, that they'll get away with it! Crime has become something of a 'zero-sum' game, and anyone who plays it takes a chance of either 'winning' or 'losing'. The same is true of all people, in all situations.

    In all these exchanges in this thread, one thing jumps out at me, though, and that is if (IF) there are significant numbers of irregularities in the sentencing of convicted criminals, then that MUST stop. I believe that up until about forty years ago, sentences were pronounced for crimes by the courts, and that the RULE was that all convicts served every day to which they were sentenced! There should be rock-solid, pre-determined, non-negotiable penalties for ALL crimes that occur in very much the same way, 99.99% of the time. That way the White criminal serves exactly the same sentence as the Black criminal, or any other kind of criminal, too.

    We should go back to a no-nonsense regimen in which a sentence means that the criminal KNOWS he/she will be in prison for every single day of that sentence! Perhaps then (and only then) they'll take matters in mind much more seriously BEFORE committing crimes in the first place.

    But forgive me if I still don't see how we make the 'Olympian' leap from this area, over to the other area of "reparations". As many times as I grind back through this, I still cannot see how setting up a special handout "reparations" system for Blacks is either logical, or ethical.
     

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