Part 38 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

What a monstrous pile of nonsense and false accusation and projection of your flaws onto others. You are the one who claims to know all about God .. as if he sat down with you for tea. All I have done is told you what the ancient Israelites believed .. not even mentioning any of my own personal beliefs about God.

What a pile of deceit

Then what is laughable and somewhat "Priceless" .. is the Fundamentalist Literalist - accusing me of being a cult member - for enlightening you on current biblical scholarship - with respect to the "Sons of God" in Job .. and claiming anyone who doesn't believe like a fundamentalist literalist - is a heretic.

Just priceless . classic cult mind control - "Thought Stopping techniques" via tactics such as creating a "Black vs white" 'Good vs Evil" "God vs Devil" paradigm .. where cult doctrine is "Good" and anything that conflicts is "Evil" .. anyone who does not hold these strict literalist beliefs is demonized and outcast as a heretic .. an "Unbeliever".

Your desperation to demonize the other .. to avoid addressing the topic - having to think the "Bad Thought" - is classic thought avoidance .. along with all of your other legendary thought avoidance tactics .. as discussed previously.

It is not me who is under the influence of cult mind control - as you suggest - it is you projecting your condition onto others.

 

C'mon now gawd,... you know...I know...God knows!... you're just spewing off a lot of hatred/denialism of Scripture with the futile objective of discrediting Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ! And I might also add mocking Him in the process.

He did what?...He punted.

I see you're a football fan eh? I like football myself but not when they have to punt...lol

We Read in Scripture:

6 Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me." John 14:6

7 Don’t be misled—you cannot mock the justice of God. You will always harvest what you plant. Galatians 6:7 NLT

7 Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. Galatians 6:7 ESV

 

The good news is that whatever will happen to me has already happened to countless other people. It’s like God doesn't exist.

 

Oh so you purposely wanted me to give you constructive criticism...so why are you making a fuss? Sorry omega but the only thing you're proving here is that you're a poor sport. I mean you hate it when someone gives you constructive criticism (you cry foul!...you're insulting me) then you come right back with deriding remarks about a person's religion, making false claims, false conclusions, falsely believing you are proving something all the while doing the same thing that you hate.

You're the type of person people say can dish it out but can't take it themselves. Sorry omega but you got to put your big boy pants on when you come into the kitchen. You're just being hypocritical without realizing it.

As the saying goes, "If you can't take the heat then get out of the kitchen!"...no pun intended.

Now you inject God into your mess that you created. It's ironic/ludicrous how an unbeliever who believes God doesn't exist but will inject God into a discussion/dispute they have with a person of faith in God.

You are having it out with me, no need to inject God into the mess you created.

Look just because it took me 7 years to finally have a chance to answer your question it doesn't mean it was a very difficult question for me to answer.

Just that I've been so far behind. So far I'm just a tad shy of making my 4,000th post and these 38 threads of mine contains I would say approx. 29,000 responses and so I got 25,000 more posts to make before I catch up. That will probably take me after doing the math...42 years before I finish them all...lol

Now to answer your question. Well for me personally the correct religion that I have my utmost faith in is the Christian religion so all others were not the religion for me. As Christians we learn that the fundamental core belief is that Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ sacrificed His life on the cross so that we believers could be saved, so that we could be made right with God through Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ.

We Read in Scripture:

6 He gave his life to purchase freedom for everyone. This is the message God gave to the world at just the right time. 1 Timothy 2:6 NLT

21 For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ. 2 Corinthians 5:21 NLT

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

16 "For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 NLT

6 Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me." John 14:6 NLT

25 Jesus told her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Anyone who believes in me will live, even after dying. 26 Everyone who lives in me and believes in me will never ever die. Do you believe this, Martha?” John 11:25-26 NLT

 

Who knows? Scientists.
Earth is 4.54 billion years old.The evidence is abundant, conclusive, and readily available to all who care to examine it.

 

That we don't know the exact age 4.543 Billion or 4.542 Billion. Does not mean it is "anywhere in between"

In Science Land .. we give the error .. so 4.5 Billion years +/- 0.1 Billion years = between 4.4 Billion and 4.6 Billion.

What it doesn't mean Mitt .. is that the earth is between 4000 and 6000 years old .. and not only the almighty knows this. We humans know this .. well most of us

 

Thanks so much for your compliment, it means so much to me coming from someone as distinguished as yourself gawd, you're so kind and thoughtful!

Now to answer your question, scripture tells us there was light (Genesis 1:3) even before the sun and the trillions of stars were created. Where did this light source come from you might ask? Well it came from Almighty God The Creator. Let's not forget the omnipotence that God possesses. So this powerful light source emanating from the All-Powerful nourished the grass and trees just for a short while, 1 day to be exact until the sun was created on day 4.

So it's obvious you failed to take into account an infinite and omnipotent Almighty God. God does not need the sun, moon, and stars to provide light. God is light!

We Read in Scripture:

5 This is the message we heard from Jesus and now declare to you: God is light, and there is no darkness in him at all. 1 John 1:5 NLT

Well our brilliant scientist do theorize that eventually the universe will contract on itself and implode. Right now the universe is still expanding but there will come a time when it starts to reverse on itself. So yes the stars will someday come crashing onto the earth...it's all science and I know how people just love science, I love science as well, after all Almighty God The Creator is The Head Scientist!

We Read in Scripture:

The New Jerusalem

21 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had disappeared. And the sea was also gone. Revelation 21:1 NLT

 

No it is obvious that you have not taken into account the fact that we have seen planets forming we have even taken a picture of it.
https://www.sciencealert.com/scient...s from the US and,light-years away from Earth.

Again we see the arrogance of ignorance that fundamentalists rely on, obviously you are unaware that the brilliant scientists discovered in 1998 that the rate of expansion is actually increasing. So yet again you have created a straw man, argued against it and declare that your book is right when the truth is we do not know.

Then came the 1998 discovery that presented a third, unforeseen option: The expansion of the universe is not slowing down, as any sensible universe should be doing, but speeding up. We now know that about 70 percent of the energy of the universe resides in empty space, though we don’t have the slightest understanding of why. This “dark energy” acts as a kind of cosmic antigravity—empty space appears to produce a repulsive force, which is the opposite of the attractive force exerted by all forms of matter. These two competing forces have affected the expansion of the universe since the aftermath of the Big Bang. But as the universe has expanded, the density of matter has decreased while the amount of dark energy has remained constant. And as the braking effect of gravity has diminished, the expansion has accelerated. If dark energy continues to dominate, the most likely outcome is more dismal than any of the scenarios previously envisaged. The current expansion will continue forever, gaining speed, so that all the galaxies we now observe, 100 billion or so of them, will one day disappear beyond our ability to detect them. Our galaxy will be alone in the visible universe. And then, once the stars burn out, the universe will be truly cold, dark and empty.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/what-does-future-universe-hold-180947977/

Then we have the brilliant CCC theory of Roger Penrose, but again the truth is we do not know.

Just as you quoted Einstein and general relativity without actually understanding what the big bang was, and why we know general relativity breaks down in the very first moments of the universe. What you have is a book which was never meant to be taken literally which you try to manipulate the facts to fit.

 

FWIW, the Gospel is a command guide for the salvation of mankind, not a sextant for mapping the universe.

 

Command guide for salvation ? Sounds like heresy against the teachings of Protestantism to me. Salvation can not be earned .. but is given by grace .. Sola Fide "Salvation by Faith Alone" - no command book required.

Are you are heretic ?

 

Sorry cosmo, but nothing is conclusive when you're dealing with theories. Scientists telling us the age of the earth is 4.54 billion years old is just a theory. So I wouldn't use the word "conclusive" when dealing with theories.

Theories are not conclusive but are inconclusive so they cannot be classified as factual. For something to be factual it has to be indisputable where everyone agrees.

First, here are the acceptable definitions of the word theory:

1: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena. 2a: a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action. 3a: a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation. b: an unproved assumption : CONJECTURE. c: a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject. theory of equations. 4: abstract thought : SPECULATION.

Here is an example of something factual/conclusive: The sun is hot.

That's a fact, the sun is hot is indisputable, it is not a theory.

Here is an example of a theory: Man is part of the ape family.

It's definitely a theory that man is part of the ape family, to my knowledge nobody has yet found/come up with that common ancestor that "missing link" if you will.
And we will never ever find that "missing link" if there ever was one in the first place but if there were such a common ancestor aka "missing link" that common ancestor's ashes/remains can never be recovered thus it can never be examined for DNA properties.

So what are we left with...well just another theory and because it's just another theory not everyone is going to be in agreement with the notion that man is part of the ape family.

Here is another example of a theory: The earth is 4.54 billion years old.

When you have to add a plus or minus factor to it, then that 4.54 figure is not factual, is not accurate, is not conclusive. Scientists for all we know could be several billions of years too high with that figure and so what are we left with...well just another theory and because it's just another theory not everyone is going to be in agreement with the notion that the earth is 4.54 billion years old.

I could give you my exact age to the minute...why because I have my official validated birth certificate and furthermore my parents could verify the date and the time because they were there when I was born. They created me and brought me into the world so they know exactly how old I am.

Now we humans weren't there when the earth was created and so we do not know the exact age of the earth. But of course we can develop theories, invent gadgets, speculate, do some guesswork to try to help us determine how old the earth is but we just can't know the true/actual age. We do not have insight into 100% of all knowledge so we can never be sure.

Almighty God The Creator was there when He created the earth so He knows how old the earth is to the very split second. After all He has insight into 100% of all knowledge, that's why He is omniscient.

But cosmo I understand you don't believe God exists so you can at least be honest about it and say "no one knows the age of the earth but we can theorize/speculate".

But for me because I believe in Almighty God The Creator, I'm going to repeat myself again and say, look for me personally I really don't know if the earth is 5000 years old or 4 billion years old, or anywhere in between those two guesses, I mean who knows?...the answer...only Almighty God The Creator knows, after all He created the heavens and the earth.

We Read in Scripture:

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. Genesis 1:1-2 NLT

 

Seeing that there's one Christ and Gospel with around forty thousand different Christian denominations standing in the way, there's probably quite a bit of heresy about.

 

Actually it's the other way around gawd, God couldn't tolerate them anymore so He booted them out of heaven and down to earth. Tonight before you go to bed check under your bed to see if any of them are hiding out at your place...lol j/k my friend.

But seriously now God threw satan out so fast down to earth it was like lightning!

We Read in Scripture:

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

18 "Yes," he told them, "I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning!" Luke 10:18 NLT

satan deserved to be thrown out, I mean he was violent, he sinned. His heart was filled with pride because he was one handsome devil, his wisdom was corrupted by his love of splendor so God threw him to the ground as Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ described it, satan fell from heaven like lightning.

We Read in Scripture:

16 Your rich commerce led you to violence, and you sinned. So I banished you in disgrace from the mountain of God. I expelled you, O mighty guardian, from your place among the stones of fire. 17 Your heart was filled with pride because of all your beauty. Your wisdom was corrupted by your love of splendor. So I threw you to the ground and exposed you to the curious gaze of kings. Ezekiel 28:16-17 NLT

15 Instead, you will be brought down to the place of the dead, down to its lowest depths. Isaiah 14:15 NLT

 

Aye .. many stakes are needed for the cleansing. There may be one Christ - but there be many different gospels - which leads to the many different denominations.

 

You sure seem to know alot about Brother Satan .. too bad he got thrown out .. must have been difficult for God to throw out his favorite son.

God's other Son YHWH was also violent and filled with pride - did he get thrown out as well ?

 

Creationists misrepresent the facts, laws, theories, history, philosophy and methods of science; evolution in particular.
My answers are honest and solidly grounded in science. Every single thing we know to be true has come by way of scientific reasoning: medicine, technology, exploration of space, etc. None of it has come via faith. When Newton wrote Principia Mathematica, nobody bothered to claim he was divinely inspired.You can claim knowledge by way of faith,heart and soul, but you will be right/wrong on the same rate of probability as you would if you were just throwing chicken bones in the air and guessing.

 

I get your point. But I think that would be up to God, because as for now, the world and the adversary prefer the confusion.

 

If God discards the bad, yet chose Jesus, then Jesus was obviously good. Why would you think otherwise?

 

1) I did not state that God discards anything
2) Even if God does discard the bad (which is clearly false) - we can not claim Jesus was Good on this basis - as we do not really know if God chose Jesus.
3) God also Chose Satan - according to Job - so if one things Satan is Bad .. one can hot hold the above premise and not be in contradiction

4) Why would you think that I thought otherwise .. since I have never claimed that Jesus was bad ?

 

I have no doubt that it is up to God. The question is whether or not God decided to intervene directly.

If we answer this question "Yes" - this turns God into the author of Confusion .. not Brother Sataniel.

The fact - is that there are many different versions of the Bible -and these differences are significant. There are also many different interpretations of the Bible - in part because of the aforementioned differences - but more often due to dogma .. interpreting scripture to conform with Dogma .. rather than trying to figure out what the passage meant to the people in the time period when that passage was written.

What is perhaps most disturbing - is when the Bible was changed - edited, interpolated - to make the text better conform with Dogma - Which would turn God into a Pious Fraudster.

 

It is real class that when going for an example of a fact you managed not to use one.

The sun is hot is a a matter of opinion. Because you have not capitalized sun, you are referring to sunlight, as in "the sun is rarely hot in the UK"

Now

If you had written The Sun is hot, then you would be writing a relative statement, the Sun is hot relative to a block of ice, but compared to some other stars the Sun is rather cool.


So here is a fact for you.

The temperature at the very center of the Sun is about 27 million degrees Farenheit (F). The temperature cools down through the radiative and convective layers that make up the Sun's core.

I will deal with you other huge errors latter as clearly we are going to have to start right at basics if you think the sun is hot is an indisputable fact.

 

I'm sure the Lord was deeply saddened the day you turned your back on Him, the day you gave up preaching the Gospel at your local church, the day you lost your faith and trust in Him, and the day you became a critic of His Word...such sadness indeed! But of course there is always hope that one day that lost faith and trust will be restored back to its roots.

Now to get to your claim of a contradiction, there is no contradiction here. Critics of the Bible can be a funny bunch, I mean if all the Gospels were written very similarly, critics will cry out "collusion!". Conversely if there is just a slight difference/variance in presentation critics will cry out "contradiction!"

Critics fail to recognize that not everyone will have the same perspective in regards to being an eye witness to a particular event. So naturally when they give their individual eye witness accounts you might see some slight differences/variances in relation to other eye witnesses' accounts.

John says they were "near the cross" other Gospels say they were "at a distance" Well how far away is "near the cross" to the cross? How far away is "at a distance" to the cross ? Well it's just a matter of an individual's perspective. They actually could very well be the same distance away....10,15,20,25 feet away...whatever.

So c'mon now trev you're making nothing to be something it's not. And as far as Luke not being there, that is true, but his Gospel is based on eye witness accounts so I wouldn't make that an issue when it's not.

Bottom line: There is no contradiction here at all...case closed!

 

Nice work. To the sincere seeker, the confusion is a frustration. But to the insincere, an excuse to mock and dodge. Were it all done away, what still remains is choice. Even when the Savior was with them, the bulk turned away. Who can do more than he? God gives life and earths bounty to the generations, stirring conscience and heart throughout the millennia's. Who am I that the mighty God should give me a portion and cover my shame too in his mercy. So by his kindness bless I the unjust for the souls worth, as he does with me. Throughout it all I imagine that I can see God smile and work his masterpiece. But what I know is my nothingness. Like the inverse of the story of Lot, I had set God to my back and rushed to the sound of the world. It was a trap. But he remembered me and sent his laborers to rescue me. By the skin of my teeth, I am here to tell you that God lives. This may sound like gibberish to the mischievous and flip, but there is truth in it.

 

Thanks Injeun for your compliment...much appreciated! Hey great sage commentary, very eloquently wisely written...thanks for your sage contribution! I am going to save this commentary/post and if you don't mind, use it one day...of course I'm going to mention your name as the author when I use it...lol

I salute you!

 

You're welcome, cool, thank you and yes.