Autopsy Shows George Floyd Would Have Died Anyways

The root cause being that the police tend to be not the most honorable people in society. That we have a system that absolves them of their wrong doing, only make things worse. Makes the police worse, thinking they are above the law.

 

The root cause is lack of accountability for police officers and others within the criminal justice system.

 

That's like saying that the cause of deaths in a war is soldiers being murderous.

Only a warmonger would put the blame somewhere that far away from the reality.

 

Statistically, the older a cop becomes, the longer time he spends on the force, the more likely he is to become corrupt, break the rules, and kill someone. Jaded beat cops should be removed.

 

If you think they were at war with Floyd then perhaps you are a lost cause as a human.

Yes, there are cases where work police do today SHOULD be diverted to those trained to handle the situation.

I'm sure you meant to be disrespectful of the needed capabilities, but that doesn't mean those aren't required. It's just that in too many places police can't handle the job.

It's clearly not all their fault, as their training left them without the necessary skills.

 

Didn't you already call that "Disneyland"?

How about we start with having policemen just refrain from killing people when they aren't even slightly at risk?

 

The image you posted has no relation to what officers are trained for in the case of a medical emergency. Yes there are methods that officers are trained to use to restrain a suspect which is relevant to the image you posted, however in the case of George Floyd there was an ongoing medical emergency in which the officers did not relieve their restraint that they were applying to both the body and the neck, even several minutes after Floyd was completely unresponsive. If you are trying to suggest that officers are not given any training for when someone in their custody is experiencing a medical emergency, or that keeping a suspect restrained is what they are trained to do in that instance, you are completely and utterly wrong. The first thing officers are trained to do in that situation is relieve pressure on the body. One of the methods for doing this is to have the individual repositioned to lay on their side, which the body camera footage reveals is exactly what one of the officers on the scene suggested doing, but the officer who had his knee on Floyd's neck outright refused the suggestion from the other officer, and again even after Floyd fell completely unresponsive he maintained pressure on the body and the neck for several minutes.

As for what the autopsy says, the first thing you need to understand is cardiopulmonary arrest is literally when the heart fails to pump oxygen to the brain. Cardio = heart, and pulmonary = lung. The second thing you need to understand is what the autopsy actually says caused the cardiopulmonary arrest to occur. Under cause of death the autopsy says "Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression"

Under Manner of death the autopsy says "Homicide"

and under how Floyd's injury occurred (the injury being cardiopulmonary arrest), the autopsy says "Decedent experienced a cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s)"

https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/01/file_attachments/1464238/2020-3700 Floyd, George Perry Update 6.1.2020.pdf

Note that this is the autopsy report from the state medical examiner

 

I see your point, a 7 time drug addled felon fighting the cops is BARELY a risk.

 

He was face down on the ground, cuffed.

Suggesting he was a threat is just plain STUPID. He was dying.

 

It is how they restrain someone who is struggling with them and if they are awaiting medical help, there is no law that says they have to somehow treat him for his medical emergency for which they are not prepared or equipped. Floyd was talking and yelling throughout, he was moving air in and out of his lungs he was not asphyxiated. It was he coronary/pulmonary system that was failing and there was nothing the officers could have done to stop it. They DID try to get him seated in their vehicle it was FLOYD who resisted and fell to the ground. At that point the officers were trying to keep him quiet and still for the arriving any minute EMT's. There may be a case to made that Chauvin rubbed the guys face into the pavement and that would be an assault and he should be prosecuted for that. But I think it is an overcharge and the city and the courts are trying to get themselves out of it with their rulings and the payment the city made which is grounds for a mistrial and the attempts to get 3rd reinstated. BTW since this stupid move by the city I heard they are having to call the 7 jurors they had managed to OK back into court. If they heard about it then the defense has a very good cause for a total mistrial being called.

And a homicide is NOT necessarily a CRIME. Even if this is a homicide. Self-defense is STILL a homicide.

 

You might want to try that response again. Comparing civil public safety enforcement to war? Cops' job is to kill is your assertion? You are aware of the topic of this thread? You have seen the original cell video?

There is no justification for the militarization of the police. You have sweet f all perspective of life in the US for the descendants of the former slaves as well as black immigrants currently living here are constantly subjected to thanks to policies initiated, approved and supported by the Monarchy, Monarchy ffs, that your country continues to maintain membership and association with.

 

Emphasis mine. Minnesota does not have the underlying felony exception to felony murder. Therefore if you assault someone and they DIE during the course of this assault, you have committed felony murder.

Thanks for playing.

Additionally: Dude did not "fall to the ground" he dragged out of the car, put on the ground and restrained with pressure on the legs, back, and neck.

 

I'm aware of all four guys' background from this reporting:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52969205

At the end of the original cell video it is clear to see Thao getting into the drivers seat and Chauvin getting into the passenger seat. There are two other police suvs shown in the video, one is a Park Police unit and the other is Minneapolis unit 320. So since Thao and Chauvin got into the other car, Kueng and Lane had to be in 320. You don't know holds as well as you think and you obviously haven't the skill to have ever made detective.

 

Apologies, I am not the best at keeping track of these types of debates, suffering from sloth is my current deadly sin.

This is your response to my post that mentioned this and asked you this and you failed to address the issue so I'll try again.

You claim to be 100% willing to blow the lid off of police improprieties, but you crawfish about the fact that at a very minimum Chauvin failed to properly release the hold.

Furthermore you seem unwilling or unable to acknowledge the vastly unequal application of police enforcement against the former slaves of the US throughout US history that continues to this day when you post a statement like this as part of your argument in defense of Chauvin and the Minneapolis PD, "Let's begin with **** blm in all it's racist and hateful glory."

The fact that Floyd is by many measures an exceedingly poor poster victim of this history is of course relevant to this specific case, but you have failed to display that you have any awareness of the history of policing in the US toward black Americans that began by using the 13th amendment to criminalize being black. That amendment made involuntary servitude illegal except as punishment for a crime. Easy Peasy said the South, Thanks Yankees! Next thing ya know there are laws that effectively make it illegal to be black and hence is born the beginning of the largest per capita prison population of all nations on Earth.

So what is you position on this broader topic? Is it your opinion that there isn't an issue here?

 

so what you’re saying is you have never arrested any or cuffed anyone and have no idea how it works. No one knew that loser was dying, not even himself.

 

I’ve already explained this. No one arrested today is or was a slave.
There went that entire hilarious argument.
That said I have no problem with chauvins technique. I’ve done it, others do it safely all the time. The one factor here is the dip**** drug addict who started this mess.
Sorry, I won’t make apologies for the whatever black people choose to do. Or white people or anyone else, not everyone needs a constant pat on the back or free s***.

 

I find your response unacceptable. But of course you are not accountable to me. By your failure to agree that Chauvin held the hold longer than necessary I find your opinion to be overly biased. What is it that makes you so one dimensional that you will not engage in a discussion on this thread to express in more detail how you personally account for the rather rancid history of the US toward black Americans?

 

Those officers DID know. Some expressed concern.

AND, if you are right and they didn't know, then THAT is an even MORE serious problem.

But, it's clear you are just thrashing for excuses to get this officer off of his charge of having murdered Floyd.

 

Once again you're trying act as if the situation is a mere matter of the officers not having the proper equipment. To say that the officers did nothing while there was an ongoing medical emergency with someone who was in their custody would be an understatement. Not only did the officers do nothing to assist the individual before EMTs arrived, but they maintained stress on both the body and neck, even after the subject was unconscious and unresponsive. There's just no excusing that behavior, ethically or legally

Once again cardiopulmonary arrest is when the heart fails to deliver oxygen to the brain, according to the autopsy it was the stress put on the body by the officers restraint that caused this injury. Every medical expert who examined Floyd's body agrees on this, whether it is the medical examiner hired by the state, or the doctor hired by the Floyd family.

Wanting someone to be quiet is no excuse for their behavior, especially considering how they maintained pressure on the body and neck for several minutes after George Floyd was completely unresponsive. I should note that in a situation where someone falls unconscious and emergency medical technicians need to be called onto the scene, the first thing you are supposed to do before medics arrive is roll the person on their side and make sure their body's airway is not being hindered in any way

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/000022.htm#:~:text=Call or tell someone to,toward you onto their side.


"If a person is unconscious or has a change in mental status, follow these first aid steps:

1. Call or tell someone to call 911.
2. Check the person's airway, breathing, and pulse frequently. If necessary, begin CPR.
3. If the person is breathing and lying on their back, and you do not think there is a spinal injury, carefully roll the person toward you onto their side. Bend the top leg so both hip and knee are at right angles. Gently tilt their head back to keep the airway open. If breathing or pulse stops at any time, roll the person onto their back and begin CPR."

Actually, when someone is being detained by the police, it is their legal duty to provide medical assistance any way they can before medical technicians arrive on the scene. Police officers are trained to provide basic medical assistance for people in their custody. In fact in the video you will notice the police officers checking Floyd's pulse, this is one example of the basic medical training that officers are given for handling people in their custody. However, they ignored essentially all other medical precautions for the individual who was under their detention

Not only did the officers not provide any medical assistance, such as repositioning the individual and making sure their airways are bot blocked in any way, but they maintained stress on the body and neck. Not only were they not following any of the the necessary precautions to make sure the body's airway wasn't being blocked, but they themselves maintained restraint which would impede the body's airway.

Also, being a high profile case isn't in itself grounds for a mistrial, if it were then essentially every trial for a mass shooting or domestic terrorist attack would result in a mistrial. It's simply not a logical argument for a mistrial, but it does prolong the process of establishing a jury (both parties have to agree on a jury)

This was not self defense

 

I'm not interested in going down some "how bad did black people have it SO MANY YEARS AGO" rabbit hole. Get over it.

That said, you have no idea how the hold works and no reason to claim it was "too long" except to further the emotional push of your last few posts.

 

They checked on him...because that's exactly what you do. There is no way every police officer who is forced to arrest some raging lunatic could know what's in their system at any given time. It's not like these idiots are carrying around their resume/drug/crime history on their hat.

I'm not the one claiming murder here. I know it isn't, as do most rational folks. Chauvin deserves a medal for putting up with that dangerous clown.

 

Nothing emotional about my point, you're apparently at the moment just a bit too focused on your outrage that people across the planet were outraged by the original cell video and you have no interest to engage in a reasonable discussion of the broader context of the state of criminal justice in the US. I respect that. Right here, right now. It's a legit position. If Chauvin had been a better cop right there, right then, then we wouldn't be having this discussion, Floyd would still be alive, Minneapolis would be $27 million richer and the 90% non-black population in Portland would still be waiting for a reason to have their own stupid version of burning man for months on end.

 

The "broader state" now or 60 years ago? I have personally used that technique on people and it works just fine. floyd, ****head that he was, would have been dead anyway and the family that disowned his frequent felony a** wouldn't have anything to do with him STILL.

It's a little odd that the technique works great unless you're overdosing and have heart problems. he wasn't a smart man.

 

There is no difference. Floyd did not die because of this technique.

 

Huh, I thought you said earlier that these guys knew Floyds entire record?

4. History of this violent felon? He was known to Chauvin already as...a violent felon. When they arrested him they ran his 28/29 and KNEW who he was, a violent 7 time felon on drugs and screaming since the very moment floyd realized this was his THIRD strike before going back to prison.