USA -China Tensions In a Changing Dynamic

U.S. and China trade public barbs during tense first meeting between the two countries since Biden took office

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...t-alaska-summit-n1261490?cid=eml_nbn_20210318

Off to a rocky start ..........

 

I have to say I did not think this administration was going to be so hawkish and purposefully raise global tensions. I think the Cold War is back, with both Russia and China.

 

Come on now, weren't we promised a "return to normalcy"?

 

This was started by Trump. Biden inherited it

 

Good. I'm glad the US made it clear to China that we're watching them and wont tolerate BS.

Trump tried to fight them by raising taxes on US consumer, and by talking about 'kung-flu' and 'China virus' which was borderline absurd, and as expected, - didn't work.

This is normal.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/av-embeds/56452471/vpid/p09b6dll

 

Rhetorical clashes with Russia, China clarify new stance for U.S.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ail&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_headlines


The "tone" has certainly changed. We will see where this "strategy" takes things.

 

The US and China are preparing for war — and Australia is caught in the crosshairs
By International Affairs Analyst Stan Grant
ABC news.
“War that was once unthinkable is now improbable — but not impossible. Since the US declared China a "strategic competitor" in 2017, tension has heightened....
.America and China have already fought a trade war; they are waging war in cyberspace and there are red lines that could trigger a full-blown confrontation.

China's Communist Party mouthpiece Global Times last year warned the US not to "play with fire". The editorial cautioned America to stay out of China's "core interests".

Those core interests are the disputed islands of the South China Sea — now claimed and militarised by China — and Taiwan.

President Xi has committed himself to reuniting the island with the China Mainland by force if necessary”

This has been looking possible since the build up on the Spratly Islands.

 

No more Nice President Trump.

 

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Nice?? His affection for dictators......... colored his judgment.

 

I was being snide.

 

I know...... Very effectively I just went with it

 

Fake News. President Bush articulated that US position while he was running for president in 2000.

From "Strategic Partners" to "Strategic Competitors ...
https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...china-policy/356C28B2496234DD83AEDC4FF890A2CA
In the first stage of this cycle, the 2000 election appeared to be no exception, as presidential challenger George W. Bush sharply criticized Bill Clinton's notion of a "strategic partnership" with the PRC and proposed instead that the U.S. and China were "strategic competitors."

We have been in a Treaty relationship with Taiwan for 75 years.

The Chinese Communist Party has NEVER ruled Taiwan. They are threatening a war of aggression against a Free Democratic neighbor. Democracies have long rich and fruitful history of combined self-defense against totalitarian expansionists.

Chinese delegation didn't seem impressed with the way US reporters were herded out of the room.

The same Yang Jiechi when facing Pompeo

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I never doubted the tensions would return, I just didn't imagine the puppet-master being so proactive. Obama (Tan Messiah) and his flunkies on the DC politburo seem to realize that public sentiment is turning against them, even from the crowd they keep down on the urban plantation. I'm thinking they will be moving on multiple fronts, with little or no concern for appearances so that they can consolidate power and never have to risk losing another election to an "outsider". The future isn't going to require "shades" as the song used to say.

 

Seems very Orwellian, Oceania versus Eastasia.

The two countries are not so different these days.
They are in conflict mainly because that is in the nature of two countries who are in such dominant positions of power.

 

China regards Taiwan as a part of China which needs to be brought back to Chinas fold. Just as Hong Kong was.
I think poor old Taiwan may well be toast.

 

Who cares? Saddam regarded Kuwait as part of Iraq.

The Taiwan Relations Act states that "the United States will make available to Taiwan such defense articles and defense services in such quantity as may be necessary to enable Taiwan to maintain a sufficient self-defense capabilities".

The act further stipulates that the United States will "consider any effort to determine the future of Taiwan by other than peaceful means, including by boycotts or embargoes, a threat to the peace and security of the Western Pacific area and of grave concern to the United States".

The act requires the United States to have a policy "to provide Taiwan with arms of a defensive character", and "to maintain the capacity of the United States to resist any resort to force or other forms of coercion that would jeopardize the security, or the social or economic system, of the people on Taiwan."

Both chambers of Congress have reaffirmed the importance of the Taiwan Relations Act repeatedly. The United States continued supplying Free Taiwan with armaments and The Lying Outlaw Slavers of China continued to protest.

Taking Taiwan is no easy task, if it were, China would have taken it 70 years ago

 

Defending a people from tyranny is a good cause, one of the few things really worth going to war over. We should avoid such a war until it is absolutely necessary, but if we let Taiwan fall after the promises we have made to them, then we are garbage as a nation, and our word means nothing.

 

compare iraq vs china is laughable, china is currently 2nd military pwr in term of air force/navy NOT russia, and quickly catching up to US. in the past decade alone china build about 100 military vessel of various type. beside china wont invade taiwan at least after 2035 maybe even later, by that time, their military will be much stronger than right now.

 

China didn’t have a Navy fifty years ago. They play a long game, as s002wjh attests.

 

They are building a blue-water navy but they aren't there yet. The CCP seems to believe they've already beaten the U.S. That is the most dangerous risk we face as a nation and it will only worsen. Regardless of political party in the U.S., If China decides to strike Taiwan or even U.S. bases or our Navy, China will risk nuclear reprisal and I think even the most virulent (no pun intended) CCP members aren't willing to gamble that we wouldn't strike them massively. And, just as with Putin's Russia, they could lose it all by pushing us too hard.
The greatest jeopardy we face today in the west is the growing possibility of miscalculation leading to global war and vast numbers of dead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thucydides_Trap

 

CCP never belief they can beat US navy right now, they study every US war over and over. no one gonna use nuke over taiwan(we haven't during Korean war when they were much weaker and dont have their own nukes). furthermore, taiwan economy is becoming more and more relying on china these days.

 

China's military leaders complain that their recruits are fat, out of shape and just want to play video games and masterbate. You seem to imagine that they can easily take Taiwan when they very well could fail. Such a failure could cost them the "Mandate of Heaven" which in Chinese history is often followed by revolution.

The Free Democracies have a long history of coordinated response against totalitarian states seeking to expand their borders through conquest. China has no allies because they are vile liars and thieves. They even steal the organs of "disfavored groups". The Democracies have learned well the lesson that expansionist authoritarian regimes seldom stop until they are met with superior force. If Democracies are going to band together to stop an expansionist China, there is no better place to contain them, than at the First Island Chain, of which Taiwan is a critical part.

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A great deal of Japan's energy and food imports go through Taiwan Strait. There simply is no improvement by sacrificing free Taiwan to the brutality of Chinese conquest rather than drawing the line and containing an expansionary China at the First Island Chain. The best outcome would be if Taiwan can defend themselves from Expansionist Totalitarian China with weapons purchased from the Free Democracies, and they very well may be able to accomplish that.

Watching the Lying Outlaw Slavers of China's treatment of Hong Kong demonstrates that the liars are liars and their word is worthless.

Taiwan is under no illusions regarding the Lying Outlaw Slavers of Beijing.

The world knows about China's organ theft and enslavement in Xinjiang, Tibet and the truth about COVID. As economic growth in China slows, even their domestic population is realizing there is no mandate of heaven for Xi to claim.

Taiwan geography is a natural fortress.

They will fill the Strait with dead invaders. Taiwan’s large mountainous areas will base continued guerrilla warfare should the hordes bent on conquest make it ashore and take control of the cities.

So much of the island is mountainous that the invading force would occupying a very small area.

The US is also far less fooled by the Lying Slavers of Beijing than they have been in the past. China simply isn't a benevolent partner in world growth. They are thieves and invading Taiwan would prove that they are thieves bent on expansion and conquest.

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2020/08/08/2003741299

Japan, India and Australia are under no illusions of what an expansionist China would be like. They would require coordinated confrontation, and the best place to engage in that confrontation is on the First Island Chain, of which Taiwan is a critical piece.

Taiwan and several others all have the ability to put a few missiles into the already weakening structures of the Three Gorges Dam, massive damage would follow. In fact Tungsten rods dropped from space would not even leave residue that revealed that their failure wasn't a natural act.

China's ruling class may be filled with corrupt greedy nasty thieves, but, their lack of alliances shows that they are far more arrogant than smart.

Taiwan could easily prove to be the rock they break themselves on, which frankly would be very good for the Free World, and the Free World is very likely to make sure the freedom loving brave warriors of Taiwan have all the help they need to allow China to unmistakably reveal themselves for the evil that they are.

Free France Proudly Lifts Their Middle Fingers To The Lying Outlaw Slavers of Beijing By Conducting Freedom of Navigation In The International Waters of The South China Sea That The Lying Outlaw Slavers of Beijing Are Trying To Steal As Their Own.​

 

I don’t think it would be too hard to take Taiwan. They have already started by militarising the Spratly Islands. It won’t be a land war ( I think) and China just needs to sit back and lob missiles at Taiwan. China isn’t averse to Pyrrhic victories and wouldn’t be fussed by massive Taiwanese casualties.

there’s no argument from me about the PRC govt being liars and thieves.
Xi’s elevation to President for life will give him a free hand to use whatever means necessary to draw Taiwan back into China.

The US has been a variable ally, as seen over the last four years.
Can Taiwan depend on the alliance when the chips are down?

 

I'll keep saying it. The CCP acted strong because they are weak. Push the Covid origin issue. If suspect, which imo it already is, unite the world against the CCP for getting their old people killed.