Another take on the vaccines

Hey folks, do a google "gary null covid vaccine not a vaccine but gene therapy" and clik on the January 5th link. Read the page, as the audio is a bit lengthy and covers serval subjects. Interesting.

 

Thanks for posting this.

Its been a long time since I had read some of his stuff. While I don't always, or sometimes even just rarely, agree with his take on issues, compared to the usual drivel from the controversial stuff of anti-vax, anti-pharmautical, anti-china-or-any-where-else, pro-any-weapon-except-pot, pro-shoot-first-anytime-anywhere, children-are-on-their-own, we-love-Presidentials-who-can't-spell, etc, Gary Null is a breath of fresh air.

I do not believe pharmaceutical companies, I don't think every vaccination is the best idea to take, I think vitamins and healthy supplements are essential for good health, and I get tired of having to argue FOR pharmaceutical companies, massive guns in every person in every school and outside and inside of President and vice-President and Congressional office and home, and more issues, many of which were Republican Values when I was younger.

So I will be processing Null's podcasts for a while, although the initial post is getting dated as many of his questions and complaints evolve or become moot by research, so we shall see in the next months.

 

I won't even waste my time. Hard pass.

 

I had not heard of Gary Null before, and not sure I found the article you mention, but I read some of his statements rather quickly.

Yes, it's not a vaccine in the classical legal and medical senses, it is a gene-editing process. All the informed dissenters seem to agree on that.

Yes, all those taking it are test subjects for this experimental use authorization recipe. Some die, most don't, and the long term effects will be developing, or not, over time.

 

Yet you just had to tell us that? Next time, spare notifying us of your willful ignorance.

 

There are key ideas that Null support sand promotes that I don't agree with (veganism is one them), but the man does his homework and validates his research.

 

Me, ignorant? I'm a medical scientist MD/PhD who knows almost EVERYTHING that there is to know about this issue, with 40 years of experience. No, it's not gene editing or gene therapy. Consult my State of The Vaccines thread for your learning; it's been pinned by the moderators to the top of the Covid Pandemic Discussions (not news, discussions) precisely for its informative value. Also look up my exchange on gene editing with another poster, by advance-searching the keyword CRISPR which is the technique for actual gene editing intended for gene therapy (something that these vaccines can't do), with me as the author. You'll learn a thing or two this way, too (if you are smart enough to comprehend it, that is). No, I won't click on your idiotic link because I TEACH this stuff, so, I ALREADY know that these vaccines are not doing gene editing or gene therapy regardless of what your IDIOTIC link may be saying. THAT'S why the hard pass, not because of ignorance but rather the opposite, because of a wealth of knowledge on this subject, and because of my being tired of all the BS you lay people keep saying about these vaccines, which I've debunked over and over. And with this, I bid you farewell forever and wish you a long and prosperous life. As you can imagine, I won't be reading YOU either, from this point on, given your nasty attitude in reply to my simply saying that I'd pass (so don't bother responding; your possible response won't be read - but I'm sure you'll want to insert your little last word. Be my guest if that gives you some sort of fulfillment). Over and out.

 

Man, that was the biggest load of smoke blowing BS I've seen to date! All this joker has done is the classic "denial" of information that he doesn't like....he just ignores it and then bullhorns his particular version of things....all the while stating that other information is not worth discussing BUT NEVER HAVING THE COURAGE TO DISCUSS CONTENT FOR THE READER TO DECIDE. The height of willful ignorance. He's so thin skinned, just pointing out that it wasn't necessary to tell us his disdain set off this screed making all types of fantastic claims and name dropping. Pathetic.

Unfortunately for our CenterField "doctor", the cat was out of the bag last year on this https://www.healio.com/news/ophthal...19-vaccine-holds-promise-for-fast-development

Also, transcript from the Gary Null site:

In early December, the New England Journal of Medicine published a National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease analysis of the Moderna vaccine’s length of efficacy based upon neutralizing antibody levels. This was the first data published of its kind for any of the Covid vaccines. Although the analysis only included 34 individuals who had received both shots, it found that antibody counts were significant over a 3 month period, averaging between 50-75 percent. The report stated this was “less than we were hoping for.” The rate of antibody decline increased among the older trial participants. This disappointing result should not be a surprise, although even a sharp drop in antibodies may still provide sufficient immunity, at least for some. The most recent issue of the British Medical Journal reports that natural immunity following infection lasts approximately 6 months. Yet this study conducted by Oxford University Hospitals likely has serious flaws since it relied upon PCR for diagnosing the data. Furthermore, Moderna has also been using its mRNA technology for vaccines against several influenza strains. A similar pattern of antibody decline was noted in their flu vaccines, showing effectiveness for about 6 months and then an antibody drop by as much 90 percent.

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Another important piece of information that is very rarely mentioned is Covid-19’s 4-5 day incubation period. In the event a person is asymptomatically infected with the virus, the CDC states,

“mRNA vaccines are not currently recommended for outbreak management or for post-exposure prophylaxis, which is vaccination to prevent the development of SARS-CoV-2 infection in a person with a specific known exposure. Because the median incubation period of SARS-CoV-2 is 4 to 5 days, it is unlikely that the first dose of COVID-19 vaccine would provide an adequate immune response within the incubation period for effective post-exposure prophylaxis. Thus, vaccination is unlikely to be effective in preventing disease following an exposure.”

That's just for openers. Hopefully, our self proclaimed "expert doctor" will not waste the reader's time with rhetoric and generalized denial and keep his promise to ignore my threads and posts from now on, as I detest company trolls pushing propaganda under such false pretenses.

 

What does your article say about T-Cell response?

 

did you go to his thread on State of The Vaccines and set him straight?

 

While I agree that Big Pharma generally has the morals of a, well, I was going to say a Trump family member on heat but that is too low a bar. When it comes to vaccines this one area where they are honest - possibly because they HAVE to be. The scrutiny is intense - why do you think that VAERS even exists? Unfortunately if health were as simple as “vitamins and exercise” we would all be better off ( and by the way do not start me on the great vitamin scam) but it isn’t that simple. I am ardently pro-vaccine because I have seen cases of Tetanus, post measles encephalitis, polio victims from before the vaccine and even a case of whooping cough not to mention the flu etc etc etc

so, which vaccine do you think is NOT necessary?

 

This vaccine does not change the genes of an innoculated individual in any way. That's utter nonsense.

There certainly was significant attention to genes in the engineering of a vaccine. But, that does NOT mean that the genes of an indiviual are changed by the result. It's about as nonsensicle as suggesting that if you grill a steak and eat it, then you get grilled.

Not one person has died from any of the vaccines approved by the FDA.

Not one person has died of COVID after having been vaccinated by any of those vaccines.

There have been more than 100,000,000 doses administered.

That is a STARTLINGLY OUTSTANDING record.

 

That big fat quote doesn't support anti-science claims of gene changes or lack of efficacy.

It's surprising to me that you would post SUPPORT for the vaccine like that, and then suggest the DOCTOR is "blowing smoke".

What happened to you?

Let's remember:
- the vaccine does NOT change your genes.
- 100,000,000 doeses and ZERO deaths from the vaccine and ZERO deaths from COVID among those who were vaccinated.

How big a test to you want? Don't you think that maybe a hundred million is a reasonable test size?

 

I don't know of any vaccines to be unnecessary.

After 3 50 year old friends all contracted shingles (in the USA, shingles vaccine is not indicated before 60 yo. I went and pay for it because I was before 60, a couple of them had bad cases. An when that earlier vaccine turned out to be less ineffective, I got the new one. Why have pain and illness for a $100 jab with little risk?

Hepatitis B, all of the pneumonias, the flu, Tdap, Td, I had all the usual childhood measles, chicken box, hep A. I have recommended HPv to adult friends' childrens before puberty and have paid for that shot for those parents didn't want to have the kid get the vaccine or couldn't afford it.

I believe Big Pharma would probably mostly not bother with helping vaccines but are are pushed into it by pressure from the public and medical establishment.

The COVID was a special circumstances they were pushed, but they will now exploit, although the would still prefer their regular designer drugs.

 

Mucous itself slows down the spread of the virus to the lungs. However, it is also an obstacle for antibodies and immune cells, such as T-cells, from reaching the multiplying virus. For this reason, Anthony Fauci has continued to state that vaccinated persons should continue to wear masks and observe social distancing to avoid transmitting the virus. The World Health Organization has stated that there is no “evidence on any of the vaccines to be confident that it’s going to prevent people from actually getting the infection and therefore being able to pass it on.”

 

Wasting time on company clowns like him is just that...wasting time. Short of God showing up and saying, "concede to the logic and facts or else", they NEVER admit they are wrong.

 

On the contrary, Big Pharma has NOT always been honest or moral about vaccines.....hell, it took public scrutiny and shaming to get them to remove a mercury derivative from some of their vaccines. Then there's that thing about claiming no correlation between autism and the vaccine loads kids are required to take now-a-days.

But I digress, read this part then do more research....pretty scary stuff. https://www.stitcher.com/show/the-gary-null-show/episode/the-gary-null-show-01-05-21-80612007

 

The thing is, the vaccine load and time sequence that my generation had is a hell of a lot less than what is given today....one of the reasons behind the court cases regarding autism. A lot of vaccines work fine....it's this rushed stuff and the misleading information that is bad news.

 

While you may be technically accurate, IMO, you are also being disingenuous. Globally, hundreds have died shortly after taking the vaccine. Those numbers amount to a rounding error but people ARE dying after they take a vaccine and not all of those can just be ignored by average people.
My spouse is an MD in Pathology and she's waiting to see, as am I. If I were in a position where I had to be dealing with the public each day, I'd probably go ahead and take the jab...NOT for myself but out of respect for the fears of others.
Can you explain the difference b/t "emergency authorization" by the FDA as opposed to normal "approval"? I think people should have the freedom to make their own choice in this situation. I also do not believe anyone should be compelled with threats of losing a job or even their liberty for refusing the jab.
The mutations will continue and I'd imagine that efficacy will not improve long-term as those changes happen. But that's just a guess. It's situations like THIS where we begin to see the harm that can be caused by distrust in government and their media 5th column. Political tribalism is going to cost us ALL if it continues to be nurtured by that 5th column media, IMO.

 

I don't understand the differences between these vaccines but I DO understand that when a government throws billions of dollars at Pharma AND gives them total immunity from being liable if their product harms or kills people, it is prudent to take a wait-and-see attitude.
Meanwhile, I'll continue to mask and distance, even after my state no longer requires it.

 

The issue with mRNA vaccine technology seems to be that the immune system attacks some of the person's own cells. That's really not a good thing.

The mRNA goes into some cells in the body and makes them start producing a signature protein. The immune system recognizes that protein as alien, and generates antibodies, as well as a future immune memory of this signature protein.
The problem is this signature protein gets expressed on the surface of the cells that made it, just like it would in a virus.

Some people have also pointed out the risk that the mRNA might get permanently encoded into the DNA of some cells if the body was infected at the same time with HIV or another retrovirus. This would only affect a very small number of those cells, but these cells potentially might permanently produce this protein, which could cause a permanent low level immune reaction, probably not a good thing (the type of thing that leads to inflammation and arthritis).

 

Nothing shows any issues with "vaccine load" (whatever that is) - babies are loaded with pathogens which humanity is well able to prepare us. And enormous numbers of pathogens for babies, adolescents and adults

which have no rational legal or medical basis. Which cluelessness courts reject

The "rush" (urgency is a more accurate word) is beind done to protect the babies and children pathogens which are constantly trying to feast on the new virgin terrority of young humans.

Large efforts to determine safe and effective vaccines and their effort involves millions of tests and monitoring after years of study from numerous independent scientists and schools.

The whackdoodles literally have nothing to contribute except craziness or excuses.

 

That is not a fair analysis.

There are a good number of vaccines that are NOT certified for us in the USA, for example. Plus, I don't see you posting data that actualy shows a medically confirmed connection between negative outcomes in other countries (since there are none here) and the vaccines and procedures used here.

The difference of "emergency authorization" is that after the testing that each vaccine has gone through (and assuming the success we've had), there would normally be a round of testing that would include a much larger number of people in the test. That is the difference. So, the testing before authoriation included many thousands of US citizens, but the testing did not then get expanded.

At the outset, I could understand some hesitancy. The testing was approved for emergency use, in response to what science has found and according to the need that exists. The vaccines did not go through the full vaccine testing on our population that would normally be required for new medicine. With the lower degree of testing, one might wonder what could have gotten through the testing without being seen.

But, now we have accomplished a truly gigantic "test" - the real life administration of more than a hundred million doses over a period of months.

I don't see a justification for continued hesitancy for vaccines used in the US today, because of the testing that has been done and the perfect record to date.

Our medical science is strongly behind continuing the fight, using the three vaccines that have emergency approval for use in the USA.

 

All three vaccines are pretty much based on the same technology.

Also, one has to wonder how fair and impartial the current "medical science" is.
This was pushed out and rushed, and all wrapped up in social concern and politics.

No one wants to admit there might be something wrong, because they're afraid that could scare people and hinder their efforts.

 

These vaccines passed the multiple rounds of testing that led up to what would have been ... another round of testing. You can call it "rushed" in that the final round of testing was omitted, but the testing that was performed was the real deal - NOT a rush job.

You have no basis for criticizing medical science wrt these vaccines.

And, the record of these vaccines has been flawless.

As I said, I could understand some hesitancy at the beginning.

But, that was more than 100,000,000 doses and several months of PERFECT record ago.