Republicans should listen to Israel's spies on the Iran nuclear deal

I find this interesting, because if you listen to the Republicans, you'd come out thinking that its a really bad deal and Israel it totally opposed to it, but it turns out that only Bibi was against it, while the Israeli intelligence thinks it was a good deal that benefitted Israel. Sure enough, even Bibi said in 2014 that Iran was only few years from having a bomb, and then came the deal, and 7 years later Iran still does not have the bomb. That is proof that either Bibi was wrong, or the deal worked..

Republicans should listen to Israel's spies on the Iran nuclear deal
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...-the-iran-nuclear-deal/ar-BB1ePLM5?li=BBnbfcL

Republicans remain resolutely opposed to the 2015 Iran nuclear agreement, which prevented Iran from building a nuclear weapon in exchange for economic relief.

But for a political party that claims an unshakeable commitment to Israel's security, the GOP would be wise to consider how Israel's top spies - men who have dedicated their lives to defending Israel from foreign threats - view the deal.

Indeed, of the six living former directors of Israel's storied foreign intelligence agency, four have publicly praised the Iran nuclear agreement. None have echoed Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's extraordinary criticism of the deal.

 

Don't you worry. Israeli spies control nearly every aspect of policy and strategy of the federal government.

 

With lasers?

 

With money and intimidation and influence.

 

No, Israeli spies do not control every aspect of policy in US.

 

Whatever you say PLF.

The rich history of AIPAC shows how you're wrong again.

 

No, it is not just what I say. Your claim is pure nonsense, and as usual you provide nothing to back it up. Next you are going to call me stupid and/or ignorant for not believing your BS. I've seen it before.

If you have nothing to say about the topic, then don't say anything at all.

 

The 2015 Iranian deal was a good deal, not perfect, but far better than no deal at all. There have been a lot of lies spread about it, I'm going to go out on a limb and predict a few will be posted here shortly, but the overall basis was smart. But it happened under Obama, so it must be bad....
Trump was a fool to cancel it.

 

or... or.... "maybe" Iran actually doesn't seek to have a nuclear bomb.
These Israeli allegations are more than 20 years old.

 

They cause forest fires. Everybody knows that.... lol
https://www.timesofisrael.com/marjo...-forest-fire-on-rothschilds-and-space-lasers/

 

How old is the uranium METAL they are producing? IMO, anyone who seriously thinks they aren't going to become a nuke weapons state is either in denial or quite ignorant of what the mullahs have been saying for years. Hey, the same crowd that are praising that "deal" that was never signed and that never had any real enforcement teeth, are the ones who would seamlessly begin telling us - after Iran announces their test explosion - that Iran has EVERY RIGHT to build a nuke. Let them do it. Then S.A., Egypt, and other gulf states can build or buy some for themselves. Great fun, what?

 

They did have a program with goals to build one. Even Obama admin admitted as much, hence the deal.

 

Get real. The US figured out how to build an atomic bomb from a vague idea to an actual bomb in 4 years, using the computer power to calculate that so weak that even your random smartphone is better. It's afteral 1940's technology, and were living in 2021! And this nuclear bomb accusations have been flying over for 20 years now that it's right around the corner that Iran builds one. If they wanted to have one, they would have done so in 1 year.

I wouldn't know why indeed Iran has no right to have one seeing what the US did to the region. They paid for the coup against the democratically elected leader of Iran. And when the American fascist stooge was kicked out, the US helped Saddam rage a WMD war against Iran. They shot down a civilian airliner of theirs, and gave the guy responsible for it a medal for outstanding service. They simply droned their military commanders to death with no trial whatsoever proving anything whatsoever. Scientists in Iran are also just executed in the streets. The US let drones enter their airspace while entire fleet with massive destructive powers sail up and down next to their border.

Maybe... protecting your own country is a right for every country. Have you looked into that?

 

They concluded in 2011 that the evidence of any of that blead dry in 2003. And than reiterated it in 2015 saying what they found did not advance beyond feasibility and scientific studies, and the acquisition of certain relevant technical competences and capabilities. While intelligence agencies have claimed Iran could have be having a bomb in a couple of years since 1984.

Hence the deal of that ongoing conspiracy theory from the west just gets tossed in to cripple an entire country and millions of millions of people. We all know it's for the sake to make Iran so weak it can be pushed over for the sake of Jewish Israel even when it's not nuclear. Being a non nuclear power is simply still too much of a thread for Israel. Iran is already so powerful it can blow up that tiny dot on the planet. Their laser guided missiles hit them American bases with high quality accuracy, while that Iron dome of Israel is not even 100% against flimsy DIY rockets from Hamas. Do understand this significance of what the reality is at this point.

The jig is up. There is no point anymore to cripple Iran. The only thing that can be done is appeasing Iran well enough that forging a bomb is not an option to bring on the table. Without a deal they will have no insight whatsoever if Iran is going to bring it to the table like North Korea with a bang, we got it.

 

Space lasers to be precise. Joos is cunning buggers.

 

What happened in the 1952 elections in Iran? I'll give you a hint, a democratically elected leader saw that he was going to lose democratically.....and yet somehow was magically still in power the following year. Wonder how he managed that. Might not have been very 'democratically'.

 

In the interim, several of Iran's top nuclear scientists were assassinated, their nuclear plant security was infiltrated, computers hacked and compromised, and the machinery instructed to self destruct, not to mention fires and explosions at nuclear sites and supporting facilities, all of which obviously offset Iran's nuclear ambitions.

 

The elections were stopped at the point that Mosaddegh had a majority, so he lawfully became president.
While the US declassified CIA documents state that they interfered in that election.
So the US has been hostile towards Iran since even them days for neo-colonial reasons.
It's just sickening obsessive and they can't just let it go and leave them alone.
Odds are... they are very aware what the US has been doing.

Aks a random American about the US doing this, all the way to supporting the WMD war of Saddam Hussein,
and they go like "wut?"... to than unleash an entire tirade how they can not be the baddies.

 

He stopped the election when he had a majority of the seats counted and while there were still sufficient seats uncounted in areas hostile to him to ensure he lost. He unlawfully retained his role as President. He then governed by decree - as a dictator in other words - until he was removed by an equally illegal coup. Why govern by decree if you won lawfully? Clearly beause he did not.

By all means lament the removal of a dictator you agreed with in favour of one you disagreed with, but please stop repeating the lie that Mossadegh was a 'democratically elected' President when he was removed. He was not any more than Marcos, Batista or Hitler were - all won legitimate elections at some point before retaining power as dictators.

 

no... he had enough votes for the absolute minimum required (79 out of 136), and his opponent still had ZERO seats at that point, and so he was democratically elected by the majority. While the CIA intervened in that elections with no results... but I would not know why that it's not a hostile act.

And Hitler never got a majority, even when he locked up some political opponents in concentration camps.

 

He won 30 seats out of 136. The 79 figure is the number of seats counted before they pulled the pin. That left 57 seats uncounted. Almost twice as many as Mossedegh had. Then he decided to rule by decree - bypassing even the diminished legislature tha tdid get elected. If you think that is all fine then you don't understand how democracy works. I suspect you don't really care. You just want to shout about the US helping to remove a 'democratically elected government' while completely ignoring any local issues that might mess with your narrative.

 

Absolutely.

Netanyahu has campaigned on security his whole politial life, while his domestic policy wins no fans. He lives on the perception of constant existential threat.

A solution to Iran that he can't even be part of is a problem for him.

 

They guy did not became the president, but prime minister. That's where them seats come in. The difference between that matters greatly. The royalist won the other seats of the 79, and so had more seats than Mosaddegh. While Mosaddegh did receive the royal approval of his cabinet in July while the elections were in February = months of biggering between the 2 parties controlling the majority together. The opposition with no seats were the communists. This is called a minority rule. It happened in The Netherlands and Denmark rolls like that for some time now. Minority rule is a government whose political party/parties (Mossedegh in this case) control a minority amount of seats who vote in laws and whatever backup by a random 2nd party (Royalists in this case) to get a majority to happen. It would be like the republicans now taking the lead by having enough democrats on their side at all times to push through bipartisan laws... and vote in a president (which cant happen since the president is directly elected unlike a prime minister) while those dems will not be taking up any kinds of official positions in the cabinet. In return, they get to have a massive say in what exactly is in those laws and what those people in the cabinet must do.

And the US has no business at all interfering with other peoples elections. They were at it in 1952, and than paid for a coup in 1954 to get ALL political parties banned. That is what the US stands for Iran. It's banning all voting when they don't like the outcome of an independent nation, supporting fascist rule, supporting a WMD-war against them, and further ongoing hostilities with no end in sight. I do think the secretary of defense SANG about bombing Iran, as if it's war fare against Iran is like a happy joke. So yeah... criticism is due. And in case you don't own a mirror: It's not as if the US would be happy with Russia if they were messing around in their elections, not to mention get a coup organized, not to mention be attacked with WMD's.... right?

 

All true, sadly.

I wonder how many people even know where Iran is on a map, or the degree to which we ringed their country with war for nerly 20 years.

It seems like we've done every single thing possible to convince them they need nuclear deterrence.

 

First thing that should be said is that Bibi - would be the most conflicted - and often least credible opinions out there.

You seem to be arguing the reverse "Israeli Top Spies" - as if this should be something listened to - w/r to anything Iran/Occupied Territories/Syria ... and so on - a demonstrably false hill to put flag on.

That out of the way - what were the reasons given - what are these credible criticisms ? none given in the Op

Then - what did the Members of the Security council have to say - and Germany ?

and what ended up happening out of this drama - sanctions --- Trump using the economic nuclear option to wage economic war on the entire planet - while having a trade war with China .... and now our Sole Status as the international system of trade is under challenge -

Not sure how Bibi's position on the Geopolitical Chessboard has changed much ... but the US got hammered in this deal.

"Rule to Self" - Never follow Bibi ... get it - got it - good.