Researchers say there's evidence that consciousness continues after clinical death

Please - no apologies, or I have a big job to do!

I'm not so sure we know what "waste" means when it comes to the universe.

The movie "Contact" used the logic of what a waste of space if there is no other life out there. But, ...

 

But we don't know do we?

 

That's certainly the case.

After recognizing that we don't know something, I think the next step is what to do about that.

If we don't know if there is other life in the univierse, we can go to nearby planets, build incredible telescopes, etc.

If we don't know how consciousness works, I would suggest continued examination of our brains.

Etc.

 

Or find a shared conciousness between people communicated in a non physical way.

 

To me, that sounds exactly like the RCC claim that there is a shared consciousness between the Earth and the heavenly objects that causes what we see in a non physical way.

There are different approaches to what we don't know.

I think we need to be careful to know which approach is being used.

And, I would suggest that there are strong reasons for selecting an approach that is appropriate to the question.

 

But you are. You are suggesting that brain activity equals consciousness. That is no always true. I think Readmore provided a good response.

 

People who claim to have been Atheists at the time of their brushes with death have some of the coolest near death experience accounts....
once they meet the Being of Light they really hit the Being of Light with out of the box questions and they get impressive answers.....

They were all shocked to find out that consciousness does not depend on their brains.

The Ms. Beverly Brodsky one is especially intriguing because she blasted the Being of Light for allowing the Holocaust to occur. All of her questions were answered though.

https://www.near-death.com/philosophy/atheism-and-ndes.html

 

I know a few scientists that I'd like to know how they feel about experiencing clinical death. All of them are climate scientists as it turns out.

 

It's just hard to admit you don't have the answer to everything isn't it? I find it funny how the Godless struggle to refute the likelihood of life after death.

 

Dennis, did you every read "Imagine Heaven" by Jon Burke? It is based on hundreds if not thousands of near death experiences from all cultures and faiths. People blind from birth describing different colors of light.

 

I understand completely what this Dr. is saying, especially about the consciousness expanding after death. I like to think of it in terms of "new dimensions". It's understandable this way: We are three dimensional beings, if you exclude time. When we watch TV, we see only two dimensions. I have two dogs that sit with me when I watch TV, sometimes hours at a time. They seem totally indifferent to what I am doing. Occasionally there will be a dog bark on the set. Morgan will sit up and stare. Sometimes he will return a growl or bark. When the noise stops, so does he. Mosby, on the other hand is completely indifferent. It is like he thinks "all that stuff is a fairy tale and I'm not buying into it." Some people in our three dimensional world, are a little more "intuitive" than others. They catch glimpses of what lies beyond though they don't quite understand it. Some of these glimpses come through prayer. Others actually have dreams or unexplainable premonitions. We usually assign all of this to the realm of faith. Anyway, I and many others choose to believe, and personally I believe the Bible has the best account as to what is to come.

 

"Death" is always relative to your level of medical science. "Death" is just the point beyond which doctors can't bring you back.

That there could be brain activity, or even consciousness, beyond this point says nothing in support of belief in the soul.

 

The new research speaks to brain activity,
not consciousness. . . I think

Moi

Does My Cat, Pretty Boy
have consciousness?​

 

I have followed Parnia's work since his first paper, perhaps 20 years ago. What he seems to have shown is that we can form real memories even when all brain function has ceased. And while it is argued that this simply suggests a deeper level of function that we can't measure, you have complications such as patients describing medical instruments used, in detail, when they not only showed no brain function, but also when their eyes were closed.

This idea always takes me back to an old friend who first suggested to me that consciousness or the mind does not exist in the brain. Rather, the brain acts more like a transceiver. Personally, I now tend to believe that the entire universe is conscious. So who knows? Maybe we are all just channels in the great cosmic consciousness. But whatever the explanation, Parnia has consistently shown that we have quite a mystery on our hands.

 

"the entire universe is conscious', that is the essence of pantheism. And we, as individuals, are like tentacles on the octopus of that amorphous consciousness.

a mystery, indeed. And why try to solve it? Is it solvable? "Life is is not a problem to be solved, but a mystery to be lived". Kierkegaard

 

We are the universe becoming aware of itself.

 

Your video does not in any way support your claims, which are nothing short of misleading.

First, there is more than one definition of "death."

There's the legal definition provided by the US Supreme Court. You're dead if the only thing that functions is the medulla oblongata (the brain stem which controls the autonomous nervous system.)

Then there's the medical definition of death which is a clinical definition and that is the heart stops functioning.

Second, there's nothing in the video that even remotely suggests consciousness exists outside the body. In every instance for every subject of the study, the brain continued to function in spite of the fact that the heart had stopped. That should come as no surprise, since there are a number of eye-witness accounts from people who observed a decapitation. Even though the head had been severed from the body, they observed one of or more of the following: eyelids blinking, eyes moving, nostrils flaring or mouth moving.

Third, that the brain continued to process stimuli after the heart stopped is nothing new. Over the last several decades, the number of accounts of patients whose hearts stopped during surgery but were able to hear, or see or hear and see the efforts of the medical team trying to revive them are too numerous to mention.

Finally, consciousness is nothing more than chemical reactions taking place among certain highly specialized cells, namely, brain cells.

When those chemical reactions cease, consciousness ceases.

 

Accuse me of wishful thinking all you care to, but we'll just have to disagree.

 

Correct. But that doesn't mean it can be explained. It can't. So your conclusions that follow are moot,

What you left out is that those people had no measurable brain function. Even if the memories weren't real, which they seem to be, how do you acquire memories with no brain function?

 

No way. Science has proven that the mind can sometimes do things that a brain cannot possibly do (telepathy, remote viewing, precognition, and other forms of esp).

 

You seem to forget your government cancelled all the research spending on those because they don't work.

There's no such thing as "remote viewing."

It's not hard to notice that no one who claims to have such powers of divination have no money or wealth. None of them are lottery winners, or bet big and won or hit the jack pot on the stock market.

What money and wealth they do have they've gotten from suckers like you who buy their worthless books and hang out on their websites.

Okay, so some might argue that would be unethical and immoral to use their powers for that purpose and I would not disagree, but what have they actually done?

They've solved exactly 0 murders.

They've found exactly 0 missing people. They can't even tell if a missing person is dead or alive (most are dead).

There's literally 1,000s of soldiers, sailors and airmen missing from any number of conflicts, and they haven't found even one of them, and there's aircraft and ships that are still missing and they haven't found any of them.

But, that's not a shocker since they didn't find the Titanic, and they still haven't found Jimmy Hoffa or Amelia Earhart.

Thanks for the warning for the Boxing Day Tsunami. Not. They didn't warn us about STUPID-19 or any other disaster.

Aside from a plethora of unsubstantiated, unverified and uncorroborated claims, what exactly have they done, other than sucker people?

Nothing.

 

It can be explained.

It was explained.

Your brain can function without Oxygen for several minutes before brain cells start dying, but they don't die en masse, just like none of your other tissues die en masse.

That's why it's called "decomp."

Unless you can prove that all of them just happened to be hooked up to an electroencephalogram --which measures brain function -- you can neither make nor sustain that claim.

I would point out that unless they were undergoing brain surgery, they would not be hooked up to an electroencephalogram.

Also, when a patient's heart stops beating, medical staff do not stand around and watch. If the thoracic cavity is open, they will initiate cardio-massage, and if not, they'll use the paddles and CPR, so the heart was still functioning, just not on its own.

 

The thing that makes me wonder about anything concerned with extraordinary mind control is stuff like trick shooting. Hitting an aspirin with a bow or .22 bullet. Or the way visualization works... Stuff like that.

 

It works for the same reason I can replicate Daryl Stuermer's incredible guitar solo on The Cage Medley from "Three Sides Live"......practice

I could hit an aspirin with a .22, well, .223. I've hit quarters, nickels dimes, and pennies from 250 meters. It's just practice, especially with the proper technique.

Just because you saw something on TV show like LOST doesn't mean it's reality.

 

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There is no consciousness apart from the body.

The only immortality the Bible promises is the resurrection of the body.

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