European Database of Adverse Drug Reactions for COVID-19 “Vaccines”

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  1. UK_archer

    UK_archer Well-Known Member

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    You keep posting this and it’s simply not true.

    There is no requirement of suspicion required to report a reaction the vaccine at all. Learn what a VAERS report means first, then justify why you think it should be a cause for concern. The number of reports alone is not a reason.

    Key considerations and limitations of VAERS data:

    • Vaccine providers are encouraged to report any clinically significant health problem following vaccination to VAERS, whether or not they believe the vaccine was the cause.
    • Reports may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information.
    • The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.
    • VAERS data is limited to vaccine adverse event reports received between 1990 and the most recent date for which data are available.
    • VAERS data do not represent all known safety information for a vaccine and should be interpreted in the context of other scientific information

    • you ignored this last time, is that because it completely refutes your claim?
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    PATRIOT ACT prevents Americans from suing vaccine manufacturers.
     
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    lemmiwinx Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Guess the Patriot Act never saw Better Call Saul then.
     
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    Don't put words in my mouth. I said, and I quote: "I find it sad that you can't recognize the fact that if there have been over 2000 reports of Covid 19 vaccines killing people in the U.S., that's meaningful." Note the if. It hasn't been -proven- that the 2000 reported deaths were caused in whole or in part by the vaccinations, but it's -possible- and perhaps even -probable-. That should give anyone pause. The fact that the CDC is not even -responding- to Robert Kennedy Jr.'s Children's Health Defense organization on how those investigations are going should be even more concerning to logically minded people.
     
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    If you're getting this from an official source, you might considering linking to it. Anyway, assuming it's actually from an official source, I'd be pretty surprised if most if not all of the reports were made because those doing the reporting believed that the vaccines played a part in the deaths/injuries. Robert Kennedy Jr.'s Children's Health Defense even asked the CDC how it was going with the investigations of all these deaths and injuries over a week ago and to date, they have received no response. Why do you suppose that is?
     
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    You must work for mainstream media. That post is as wildly inaccurate as most everything delivered by MSM.
     
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    True. I think the expansions are worth noting, however. Just found an article on childrenshealthdefense.org on their third amendment to the PREP Act here:
    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...t-allowing-pharmacists-to-vaccinate-children/

    Also found out that the original PREP Act was apparently made back in 2005. March.com elaborates on the changes made in relation to Covid 19 here:
    https://www.marsh.com/us/insights/research/covid-19-liability-immunity-under-prep-act.html
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It seems like the AstraZeneca vaccine may have even more problems than some of the others do.
    Unusual blood clotting seems to be one of its biggest negative side effects.


    https://globalnews.ca/news/7726169/astrazeneca-vaccine-safety-canada/

    AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine not recommended for those under 55, NACI says

     
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    It’s off the VAERS website

    https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

    As for responding to Robbert Kennedy Jr. why should they, he’s one of the biggest anti-vaxxers going, it’s like asking NASA to investigate if the moon is made out of cheese, or provide proof that space is not fake. Nothing is going to change his mind and will only provide more ammunition to cry coverup and conspiracy.
     
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    And you just avoided my question

    why do you think correlation equals causation?
     
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    Plus it takes TIME. Each and every death has to have an investigation and usually a thorough investigation so they do not kiss anything but then we know this is common - find something like this scream from second one that “they” are “ignoring The problem” then when it comes out that a large number were natural causes or car accidents or gun shot wounds the scream becomes “they” are “covering it up”. There is also a tendency to ignore the fact that most countries track this data so suddenly the conspiracy becomes worldwide - and that usually gets ignored or becomes “the medical community” are “silencing” people speaking out but again ignoring it would have to be a worldwide phenomena
     
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    Thanks for the sourcing.

    First of all, childrenshealthdefense is bigger than just Robert Kennedy Jr. On March 8, The Defender, which is the reporting part of childrenshealthdefense, said they contacted the CDC. As of March 26, they had still not heard back from them. Secondly, I've never seen RFK Jr. say that he's an anti vaxxer. To get a better idea of RFK's stance, I encourage you to take a look at the open letter he sent to President Biden regarding VAERS, which he sent on March 15:
    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/rfk-jr-president-biden-vaers/
     
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    I was too busy with the rest of what you said -.-

    I never said that correlation equals causation. There you go, putting words into my mouth again -.-
     
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    You are so trusting of the CDC and VAERS. Have you even considered the possibility that far from being thorough, they are doing little if any investigating? I think it bears noting that all The Defender was asking is to get some specifics on the investigations that you seem to think they are being so thorough with. To whit:
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    On March 8, The Defender contacted the CDC with questions about how the agency is investigating reports of deaths and injuries after COVID vaccines. We provided a written list of questions asking the status of investigations on deaths reported in the media, if autopsies are being done, the standard for determining whether an injury is causally connected to a vaccine and the known issues with VAERS — namely whether healthcare providers are reporting all injuries and deaths that might be connected to the COVID vaccine, and what education initiatives are in place to encourage and facilitate proper and accurate reporting. We asked for a reply within two days.

    As of today, 11 days later, the CDC has not answered our questions. Instead, when we call them, they respond saying, “they have received our email, they will escalate it and it is in the system.” When we asked if we could speak with the person reviewing the email, we were told that information could not be provided. When we emailed them to follow up, we received no response.

    **

    That was their first report, on March 19. On March 26, the headline in another story strongly suggests that they still got no further response.
     
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    You are insisting that the possible correlation of deaths with the vaccine means the vaccine has caused those deaths. This is what critical analysis does it determines if there is a causative ,ink
     
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    That's 0 for 3. Here's something I actually said: "It hasn't been -proven- that the 2000 reported deaths were caused in whole or in part by the vaccinations, but it's -possible- and perhaps even -probable-."
     
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    But you are still bringing those deaths up as though they were meaningful. If they are not correlated why mention them at all?
     
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    Have you considered that the CDC is not the only agency in the world monitoring vaccines
     
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    They're the agency monitoring them in the U.S., childrenshealthdefense.org is an organization based in the U.S. Stands to reason they'd want to know how their own agency is doing things. I don't know what you thought of JFK as a President, or Robert Kennedy before he too was assassinated. I think they both had some very good qualities and I suspect that's why they were both eliminated. Fortunately, they haven't done that to Robert Kennedy's son, at least not yet, and I think he and his childrensheathdefense.org site are helping to exposing the truth behind all these vaccines, or at least trying to. It is harder when the CDC stonewalls though.
     
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    That's where you got it wrong, among other things; The reports do not even say the deaths were caused by the vaccinations.
    As UK_Archer tried to explain to you, all reports are investigated, but, like for the so-called voters fraudes, when there is nothing, there is nothing.

    Your grasp of plain English seems quite weak in view of your persistence in disseminating false information.
     
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    Yes, as David Martin's analysis of US Patent Office records shows, this thing has been in the planning stages since 2003 or earlier. These drug injections have been planned all along. Gene Therapy appears to be the only product ever developed or delivered by Moderna.
     
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    The patents office thing is another complete lie, show where Covid-19 was mentioned on a unique patent and not where a previous patent has been amended to include Covid-19 or part of a larger patent family.
    here's a link explaining it

    https://english.rvo.nl/news/covid-19-mentioned-2015-patent-application


    As for Moderna, you do realize that mRNA technology has been underdevelopment for years for use in a number of areas, so that's conspiracy busted.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243 - mRNA vaccines
    https://www.modernatx.com/pipeline/therapeutic-areas/mrna-therapeutics-and-vaccines-rare-diseases
     
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