US Celebrities party maskless in Australia while Australians are stranded.

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  1. Matthewthf

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    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-55851074

    This article says it all. Tens of thousunds of Australians around the world have been stranded for over a year and few get a lucky flight home as Australia has strict rules for returning home because of covid 19. Some of these people are now homeless with little help from Australia.

    Australia recently let a team of tennis players in and they are letting Hollywood celebrities in. Many Australians around the world are frustrated and say it's not fair that these celebs get special treatment. Many celebreties have been flocking to Australia recently to get away from covid 19.

    Sounds like liberals are tired of thier own rules...

    To add insult to injury these celebrities, some of whom push the liberal covid 19 mask agenda are partying maskless and not social distancing.

    Liberals are full of double standards.

    "Masks for thee but not for me".

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    Matthewthf Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Even liberals don't wear the masks because they know this virus is not all that bad. It's mostly fear mongering from the left. The masks don't even stop the virus.

    The Democratic party is fake and destroying America for political gain. I say we end all shut downs, open everything back up and stop trying to force the vaccine on everyone.

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    So don't wear a mask.
     
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    Which they can do after they quarantine. Thanks to strict lockdown, good contact tracing and a government WITH a clue we have only had to mask up intermittently, still have less than one thousand dead and the celebs and Tennis players were let in because they are making people money
     
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    :roflol:

    That Candace Owens statement is complete (and utter) BS.
    Give me a break.:bored:

    As far as the OP (and the Celebs in Australia)?

    Money changes everything. It is what it is.
     
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    Absolutely- our film industry has never been so healthy
     
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    i'm not sure if the op understands enough of australian politics to realize that the coalition is considered "center-right." the "homeless " australians can return if they self quarantine, a policy that might have saved many american lives
     
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    Australians are not 'stranded' overseas. They are simply the people who chose to avoid doing mandatory quarantine upon return. And let's not forget that people who can afford to go on overseas trips or who get work overseas, are not poor. Nowhere near it. Some people just wanted it to be easy to get home, and when it wasn't they decided to wait it out. They assumed the quarantine thing would end, and now that it hasn't they probably regret the decision to delay returning.

    Meantime, the reason we can party like COVID never happened is because we do the hard yards. Every time there has been a case or a cluster, we go in hard and early and have it sorted quickly - usually with only those in the immediate area affected. We border the affected city or part of the city, and stop all movement in or out, confining everyone to their homes 23/7 (with an hour a day to do essential things only - food shopping and healthcare). Sometimes these lockdowns are for a couple of days, and sometimes for a couple of weeks. The longest was months for one city last year - but that was a heavy caseload which wasn't shut down fast enough. We learned from that!

    Of course our strongest weapon has been the management of movement and borders. That's the key to all of it. If you don't stop movement, you can never contain this thing. If people continue traveling about - even within their own city - you haven't a hope of getting on top of it.
     
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    Ok, first up we have a Right-wing federal government at the moment. And 1/2 our State Premiers (equivalent to Governors) are Right wing as well. So mostly Right leaning government in Australia.

    We don't wear masks now because we don't need to. But when directed to by our Chief Medical Officer, we, the Citizens of Australia wear them for good of well-being, community and country... what about this don't you understand?

    Our treatment of celebrities has nothing to do with political leaning, whatsoever.

    Heinous blabbering ignorance. Nothing less.
     
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    And as Melb Muser said, Australia has a Right Wing Govt. We were lead through 2020 by conservatives, not liberals. It was conservatives mandating the hard lockdowns/mandatory quarantine/mandatory masks/contact tracing, etc etc.

    A nation's response to COVID has nothing to do with politics. It's a people and culture thing. As far as I know, the only liberal Govt to do hard lock downs is New Zealand. All the other COVID beaters are conservative.

    America is not the bellwether on this. That there seems to be a political divide on COVID there, is reflective only of a cultural/social problem particular to the nation. Elsewhere politics are irrelevant. The response to the pandemic is in line with what the populace wants and expects. We (in Australia) want and expect our Govt to step up in emergencies, and so they did. Even the most ardently conservative denialist would not have lasted long in politics had they refused to participate in protecting the citizenry.
     
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    Some of these replies about people around the world not being stranded leads me to believe those people did not read the article.

    The article specifies people by name who literally can't get a flight to Australia. These people should be taken care of before celebrities from America who just want to escape the covid mandates in America.
     
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    Some of these replies from people who ACTUALLY live in Australia leads me to believe that you don't know what
    the **** you are talking about.
     
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    They aren't stranded. They FEEL stranded. All of them have had opportunities to return, but didn't take them. Australia never abandons its citizens in truly unavoidable situations overseas. If there are people struggling to get flights now, it's because they didn't take the flights available at the beginning of the pandemic. They didn't want to cut short their adventure or whatever. It's also important to remember that they're not dying of starvation, homeless - regardless of what you're being led to believe. All those who chose to remain overseas instead of coming back on the first available flight, did so because they could afford to.

    We've actually repatriated people in the past year .. people who were in genuine urgent need. No money, and no access to flights etc.
     
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    No it is just that the flights are expensive- and no government anywhere can mandate cheaper flights
     
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    Please let us know which things in the article are not true:

    "Australia's border restrictions have effectively priced out many nationals from flying home.

    The government last year imposed a "travel cap" on international arrivals, aimed at reducing the risk of outbreaks.

    It means flights to Australia, in many cases, are reduced to carrying just 40 passengers. The cap has driven up the cost flights and led to airlines prioritising business and first class passengers.


    Flights from the UK to Australia can cost between A$3,000 (£1,700; $2,300) and A$15,000, forcing many to draw on savings and even pension funds. There's also the mandatory hotel quarantine fee on arrival: A$3,000 per person."
     
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    They're all true. It's also true that those who were GENUINELY unable to access those flights were repatriated.

    You're having trouble with the difference between need and want. The Govt has no trouble with that.
     
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    According to the article 50,000 people still wait for those repatriated flights while US celebs fly over in mass and party.
     
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    whatever. americans have zero standing to criticize australia's covid response. compare 1,000 dead in australia to the usa's grossly undercounted 550,000. they must be doing something right.
     
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    No, they're waiting for mandatory quarantine to end and ticket prices to go down. Please remember these people are the wealthy of Australia, not the poor. Your sympathy is sorely misplaced.
     
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    Correct, par for the course for our right wing American friends. On their best days they struggle to be coherent about their own nation. When they attempt to discuss other nations it is like bad crayon drawings. Assuming they even cite articles they rarely read or understand them.

    Lets go through this mess as if we were actually informed about the subject.

    First, the 'lucky few' you are referring to is hundreds of thousands of people. Many, many times more than those who are still waiting to return. They returned as soon as they could rather than waiting, which turns out to have been a bad idea. It is unfortunate that people are having difficulties returning to Australia, but there have been opportunities. You would know that if you were informed on the topic.

    There have been issues repatriating people. The first is the lack of commercial flights. Despite that, the government has put on something like 100 flights - which sounds like the sort of thing conservatives would oppose. The second problem is quarantine. Quarantine has been breached in just about every state where it is being used and those breaches have resulted in virtually all the deaths. As a result we are being very careful about how many people come back at a time to limit risks to the health of the population. We actually care about keeping people alive here rather than ignoring the advice of medical experts. You would know that if you were informed on the topic.

    This was some sort of attempt to win a prize for looking ignorant, wasn't it. Please tell me you aren't commenting on a subject with this little knowledge.

    First, we did not let in a 'team' of tennis players. We let in the world's best tennis players to play in the Australian Open. I'm assuming you have never heard of it, but it is one of the four tennis majors - like the US Open, but with nicer crowds. Allowing the tournament to go ahead provided jobs for thousands of people, some of whom had been out of work due to pandemic restrictions. One of them was a friend of mine who was laid off by the company I work for due to the pandemic. Creating local jobs is good. You would know that if you were informed on the topic.

    Second, those 'Hollywood celebrities' are in Australia to make movies or TV shows, which employs Australians. That was actually in the article, but I understand that reading is difficult. Better to spend your time posting the pictures in online posts. Pictures are pretty, aren't they.

    The reason there are so many movies & TV shows being made in Australia is because we are one of the few western nations with no community tranmission of COVID. That is because we followed medical advice rather than letting politics & ideology get in the way. So we are now free to have virtually normal lives and we don't have the huge death tolls many nations have. You would know that if you were informed on the topic.

    Which 'liberals' would these be? Our Federal government is conservative. You would know that if you were informed on the topic.

    Which Australian states require masks & social distancing at gatherings? We don't have that many states, so it shouldn't be hard to find out. Of course that would require you to do research, so....yeah, we all know that isn't happening.

    I'll help. My state doesn't. I only have to wear a mask on public transport. No need to wear them anywhere else, including social gatherings. And no social distancing either. So if I don't have to do any of that, why would someone from overseas who is here working and providing jobs for their Australians?

    Of course, you would know all of this if you were informed. But you aren't. Opinions are easy, reading and research are such hard work.
     
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    OK, I'll give you an easy one. Can you quote where the article says this (the highlighted bit). Should be SUPER easy.
     
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    Australia abandoned its citizen Julian Assange. That, and the matter of the OP, demonstrate that the Australian government has no moral inspiration. It does not know right from wrong. That might be said about many world governments, but it's certainly the case in Australia.
     
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    The article says some celebs are there to make movies but not all of them. You talk as if the article actually stated they were all there to make movies. I saw the article mention 50,000 people were stranded and I don't feel like reading it again so I will leave it at that.
     
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    Thank you for confirming that you couldn't be bothered reading the article properly one time, and can't be bothered reading it a second time. Says everything anyone needs to know about what you post on this forum.
     
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    Reading the article again it says about 40,000 people are stranded. So I was only off by about 10,000 people. Minor mistake. Big deal. It still proves my point.
     

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