So what does the Republican Party stand for now?

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  1. Cybred

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    Typical, nothing is ever republicans fault.
     
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    Maybe not. All of these sewer rats were brought to the table by trump and now that he’s gone, the trump cult will lose its power to damage us and recede from relevance.
    I think the trump years will be seen as the high water mark for right wing lunacy, especially after seeing the remaining sewer rats trying to reimpose Jim Crow as their tactic after losing the election.
    You just can’t fix stupid.
     
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    No they don’t. They just want to own the libs.
    If they were serious, they would fine or jail every single person that hired an illegal immigrant. Immigrants would find no jobs and they would stop coming and there would be plenty of jobs for Americans to take.
    You would solve the immigration issue and the economy at the same time.
     
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    I'm a republican, so I can't speak for the Republican Party, but I stand first and foremost for the right to keep and bear arms. As I always have. Everything else is secondary so long as we retain the ability to fight our way back out of any trouble we might vote ourselves into. Democracy works best when we can correct mistakes.
     
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    So, you intend to "correct" what you consider mistakes by using firearms.

    What you see as mistakes are progress. The Biden admin wants to install the country firmly in the 21rst century at last. You want to return to the "good ol' days" of the 50s, McCarthism and segregation etc...
     
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    I didn't say it was. I explained the purpose of a political party, not the benefits of it.
     
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    Have you seen pictures of Congressional Democrats and Republicans? I think probably not, as the most of the old, I do mean old, relics are not Democratic. But then Democrats are not authoritarians either. So what does it really matter, if one is just going to parrot what they heard on the propaganda channel. Just make up something silly and pretend.
     
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    Candace Owens is a bimbo who spouts the party line for party members. She has no widespread support and is incapable of generating widespread support. Same with Lauren Boebert. But then they fell heavily for Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin. Apparently there is a segment of conservatives who are heavily drawn to these types of women.
     
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    Candace Owens is just another conservative naively parroting the party line, how original, how refreshing, how exciting!
     
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    Apparently you have only listened to the rhetoric, never actually paid attention to what the Republican Party actually does.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    Yet y'all support a political party that would just as easily send your jobs to China to cut out the labor cost of employing the likes of you, if it means a higher profit for the company you work(ed) for.
     
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    Depends upon which "Republican Party" you are talking about.

    If you are talking about the Republican Party Elites, they stand for the Beltway game. That would be the Congressional GOP Elites doing everything they can to support themselves, their power, their wealth and the desires of the donors and lobbyists who give them that power and wealth.

    If you are talking about the Republican Rank and File, they stand for Main Street America. That would be the Republican voters and some politicians who don't care about the game, rather, they care about the American People, the rule of law and the Constitution.

    Those two parts of the Republican Party are at war and it remains to be seen which will win at the end.
     
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    Build your strawmen elsewhere. Not all mistakes warrant armed revolution. In the case of the US, we havnt made such mistakes. Yet.
     
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    Yes, we know. Black Conservatives are to be belittled and ridiculed.....back to the farm you go!
     
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    To begin with, you start off with a contradiction, "I'm a republican, so I can't speak for the Republican Party". I'm sure that was unintended, but it does shed light on your fixation with the 2nd amendment as your sole raison d'être.

    I thought guns were just tools, no different than a hammer or a drill? So why this whole uber reverence for a "tool"?

    To me, people who claim this is their biggest concern aren't being honest with themselves. The 2nd amendment as proclaimed by its supporters isn't about protecting your right to self-determination, it's about your fears and mistrust.
     
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    Black, White or Purple, it does not matter. A silly ideology is a silly ideology.
     
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    This is why rational people dont take "progressivism" seriously.
     
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    Am I not allowed to support female politicians?
     
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    If only it was that easy...
     
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    Definition of republican

    1: one that favors or supports a republican form of government
    2(capitalized)
    a: a member of a political party advocating republicanism
    b: a member of the Democratic-Republican party or of the Republican party of the U.S.

    I favor a form of democratic government that is limited by a rule of law, such as a constitution, that prevents the 51% from lawfully doing certain things, therefore I am a republican.

    I have no loyalty to any political party. The Republican Party of the US in particular I find quite distasteful.

    Thus, I am a republican and not a Republican.

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    The 2A is not the reason for my existence. Its my 'raison de voter.' I wish it werent, because I would very much like to stop voting for the vile Republican Party. But so long as the vile Republican Party remains the best choice for me being able to defend myself without being made a criminal for it, they will continue to get my vote.

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    I have no reverence for a tool. I have reverence for freedom; the right to deviate from the collective, exercise my free will over myself and my property, and protect myself and my community from those whose will is to harm or control us. The constitution and many of the civil rights layed out in it are tools intended to be useful in preserving that which I have reverence for- my free will and my protection from others harmful will. The right to speech and expression, equitable rule of law, due process, private property rights, freedom of choice in the marketplace, and others surely, are all tools that serve to promote free will and self protection from others harmful will, but at the end of all of them, is the ability to resist the violent imposition of other's will. The source of that harmful will might range from one criminal who wants to take something I rightfully own, or it might come from of a group of criminals that coerce others to try to violently impose their crime on my community via surrogates. The scale doesn't really matter, the point is that eventually, after all peaceful avenues of resistance fail to deter offensively violent oppression, defensive violence is the last resort. Firearms are currently the most effective common means for humans to respond defensively to offensive violence, and because of that, they also offer a substantial deterring effect from that offensive violence being initiated in the first place.

    It is rather unfortunate the legal access to firearms effective for defense is my biggest political concern. I would prefer very much if the political removal of that legal access weren't on the table and I could vote for other things. But democracy and voting are, and always will be, an experiment of sort. Every time we make a new law, we do it without knowing for certain what the precise outcome will be. Its likely that eventually we'll vote ourselves into a position that negates our control over our government, and we'll have to wrest it back by other means, and those means could conceivably require resisting offensively violent oppression, for which firearms are, at least today, an essential and necessary tool.

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    It is true that I am wary (call it 'fear' if you want) of being criminalized for exercising my will over myself and my property and/or for resisting the harmful will of others being imposed upon me, and I think most normal people that similarly value their freedom of choice share that sentiment.

    As for being 'mistrustful'... whom is it that I mistrust that you believe I should instead trust, and why?
     
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    So you think Trump did all of this?

    Trump did not change my beliefs. He only supported them and I feel the same way now as I did before Trump.

    The Democrats has been trying to force everyone to play by thier rules. It's as if we can't disagree with them even if they are bad. That is what I call the left. A dictatorship.

    They are literally destroying our children with the BS they teach them and they flood our country with illegals. They are making every country hate us and trying to make peace with terrorists in Iran. They kill jobs and use the news to brainwash people.

    I refuse to stay silent while the Democrats try to destroy America. If that makes me a trumper or deplorable than so be it.

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    How so? Please prove me wrong. Your question was accurately answered.
     
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    January 6th for one.
     
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    There is no concerted effort by Democrats or liberals to eliminate ALL GUNS. Sure, there are some outspoken far left people who do want just that, but those arguments are based on the futility and insanity of keeping a Laissez-faire approach to the escalation of far more Americans getting their hands on weapons specifically designed for warfare and using them on innocent civilians.

    So why do your fears and your solution to it only creates more fear for everyone else?
     
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    Because they fear other peoples freedom more than they value their own, and they have an unrealistically inflated trust in the ability and desire of 'authority' to care for and protect them, I suspect. Either that or they're simply control freaks. Or both.

    And sure, not ban 'all' guns, just more guns. Then more guns. Then more.

    Which guns would you personally oppose being restricted and/or banned? How close could we get to all of them being banned before you might agree that was likely the goal all along?
     
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