Culture of Shootings , "Thoughts and Prayers" But No Solutions

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  1. MJ Davies

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    Farhan and Tanvir Towhid, who slaughtered family, left behind bizarre suicide note with ‘The Office’ rant

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    Another senseless murder suicide.
     
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    JUST IN: Maryland Shooter Identified as 38-Year-Old Navy Sailor Fantahun Woldesenbet

    There was a shooting Tuesday in Maryland near the US Army Base at Fort Detrick.

    The 38-year-old suspect shot two men before he was shot dead.

    One victim remains in critical condition and the other victim is being treated and will be released from the hospital tomorrow.

    The shooter was identified by authorities as 38-year-old Navy Corpsman Fantahun Girma Woldesenbet.

    “We can confirm that he is an active member of the Navy at the rank of E4,” Frederick Police Chief Jason Lando said during a presser. “He resides in the city of Frederick, not on the military base and his residence is in the 100 block of Willowdale.”

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...38-year-old-navy-sailor-fantahun-woldesenbet/
     
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    (I am anti-American - I love America. We went there in 1640 and left in 1900.)
    It's possible that as an Australian I COULD wake up to a mass shooting in my
    country. Only, the chances are less. The equation is simple - the easier it is for
    people to have guns the easier it is for people to be shot by these guns.

    You can own a gun in Japan, but it's like owning and driving a car, there are
    responsibilities. If America had Japan's gun rules there would be less than 300
    people killed with guns per year.
    If that inanimate object CAN HURT OTHER PEOPLE then yes, we do take care with
    who own them. We have strict conditions for driving a car in Australia too - I was once
    a driving instructor and I found it amazing how the regulations slowly tightened up and
    getting a license got tougher and tougher. But then, this helped bring the road toll down.
    We got tougher with vehicle inspections, road designs, air bags, drink driving etc..
    The road toll, like gun deaths, is dramatically lower now. My Australian society has
    sought to good balance between civil rights and public health.
     
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    Welp, my state finally makes an appearance. Lot of good our strict gun laws did for us in this situation. Guess we'll have to ban assault weap... no, we already did that. Maybe we can make people get a license to own a handgu... nope, already do that. Maybe crack down on concealed carr... wait, we never had that in the first place.

    Huh
     
  5. MJ Davies

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    You're correct. I have no idea what the answer is but something needs to be done.
     
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    Like all things in life......what would be an acceptable risk factor?? With as many guns floating around as there are in this country.......shootings are just part of the scenario......... so we might want to find what is an acceptable amount. . Reality: don't think one can prevent all of them. That would be virtually impossible.

    You have excellent guns laws in place.......and they are working ......as in preventing many MORE shootings. If one can reduce them to a rarity......then one has made pretty good progress.
    One has to accept a reality that weapons are very important to Americans. So it comes down to a cost benefit ratio.
     
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    The statement, above, was made out of ignorance or dishonesty

    The "mental health" question is very specific.
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    He -had been adjudicated mentally defective? He had been committed to a mental institution?

    If not, then he did not lie, and it was legal for him to buy a gun.
    If so, the record of same should be in the NICS database and should have resulted in a "stop" response during the background check.

    Its easier to believe people's stories when the "facts" they use to support them relate to reality.
     
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    Try something called "enforcement". That's how to catch criminals no matter the crime. You are wasting too much time employing people to fine illegal parking and loitering and using the "N" word (only if they are white). If you have "strict gun laws" and a "ban assault weapons" and required a "license to own a handgun" then get your butts out there and enforced those laws and let Tommy Tucker enjoy his Moutain Dew sitting on the hood of his car in the parking lot ..... without you rousting him.
     
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    But I didn't say that. But since you are an anti-American perhaps you can share with us what terrible things happened to you when you were here?
     
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    Are you pretending that you don't know who did?

    Since you are a Marxist spy what makes you think I'll tell you? I don't fraternize with Communists so you're out of luck.
     
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    Heartbreaking...Another "responsible" gun owner.


    Police: 3-year-old dies from self-inflicted gunshot in Baker

    First responders are investigating the death of a child in East Baton Rouge Wednesday.

    Sources said a shooting was reported on Breckenridge Drive. Baker Police said a child about 3 years old was was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot.

    No other details about how the shooting happened were immediately available.
    This is a developing story.

    https://www.wbrz.com/news/police-3-year-old-dies-from-self-inflicted-gunshot-in-baker
     
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    Tragic and stupid make a gun accessible to a 3 year old.
     
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    You think?? Maybe t is the "responsible gun owning parents" that are stupid (and should not be allowed to have weapons anywhere ear them ) The reality is that there are a lot of STUPID and careless weapons owners. Their incitements just don't make the news.
     
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    I honestly don't understand how anybody can say that guns aren't dangerous in the heat of the moment.


    1-Year-Old Shot in Head During Apparent ‘Road-Rage’ Incident on Lake Shore Drive

    A 1-year-old child was shot in the head following what Chicago police believe was a road-rage incident between two vehicles on Lake Shore Drive on Tuesday morning.

    Commander Jake Alderden of the 1st Chicago Police District said Tuesday afternoon that the child remains hospitalized in critical condition following the shooting near Grant Park.

    “At this time, it’s very preliminary, but it appears that it was an apparent road-rage incident,” he said during a press briefing at Northwestern Memorial Hospital.

    One person is currently being questioned in relation to the shooting, police said Tuesday evening.

    Chicago police initially said the child is 3 years old. They later revised that to say he is 2 years old, and then again to say he’s 21 months old.

    https://news.wttw.com/2021/04/06/1-...-apparent-road-rage-incident-lake-shore-drive
     
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    423,000,000 guns.
    <500 accidental firearms-related accidental deaths per year.
    While these accidents are sad, they do not support an argument for... anything... regarding firearms.
     
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    Seems that these accidents are simply not sad enough. To weapons "enthusiasts" they are just numbers . (stats). With all those guns floating around......of course a few "incidents" have to be expected....... and in the cost / benefit ratio....... " acceptable. risk level " It is a mindset that is now established and unsaleable. This "indoctrination" is not recent. It is a product of decades (since the beginning of this young nation) ideology and conditioning. Most other nations don't have this kind of cultural indoctrination. .......so weapons are not such a significant part of their norms.
     
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    Rational, reasoned people are not swayed by fallacious appeals to emotion.
     
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    They are irresponsible gun owners and stupid.
     
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    Guns are only dangerous when they are used improperly. The problem is the shooter. The gun is as dumb as a rock.
     
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    I haven't posted anything that suggests guns are animate objects.
     
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    Of course not but guns are inanimate and thus, innocent. The problem is shooters. I can give you a couple of examples when a gun made a big difference without my even firing it.

    Once, on the West side of Chicago (you know Chicago) A group of four blacks jumped in front of my car while it was stopped at a light and demanded that I get out. I reached in the glove box and took out my pistol (illegal in Chicago as you know) and aimed it at them through the windshield. They moved out of the way. I went on my way.

    Another time I encountered a couple of horse thieves working on stealing a couple of my show horses in the middle of the night. I racked the pump action on the shotgun and asked them if I could help. They ran for their truck and backed up so quickly they ran their horse trailer into a tree. I was able to get the license number of the trailer and was happy to testify at their trial.

    I enjoy target shooting competition - both sporting clays and pistol. Many years ago I did some part time work for the police academy helping people that couldn't pass the gun qualification. I had passed it with a 100% score one day at their FOP range. In the Army I qualified expert, not only with the rifle but also with the M60 machine gun and the 4.2" mortar. I'm a responsible gun owner. I know the difference.
     
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    Nothing Biden wants to do will have any effect on gun-related violence in the US.
     
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    so, what would? IF anything.
     
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    Right. So we are back to the original situation: "Culture of Shootings , Thoughts and Prayers But No Solutions". I have a solution ... grounded on fact.

    Guns are killing people by murder/accident - Americans suffer more from it than anyone else - guns should be kept from Americans.

    There you go. What simpler solution can there be than that? All you have to do now is implement laws prohibiting gun ownership and enforce them. I wonder why no one else thought of it. :rock_slayer:
     
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