Turning Jesus into God

Einstein contributed a gigantic revolution in all of physics (with help from contemporaries - he was not enirely alone). The best physics of the time was known to be broken. His solution was of gigantic importance and continues to be so today.

Trying to suggest this was about blowing something up is just plain ridiculous.

 

HUH ? == what argument are you referring to -

You want to say "Your argument is not supported" OK - but do tell me what argument . as I don't think you have a clue what the argument I was making was ... Koko

 

I actually explained it quite well. He doesn't have to say the words "I am different than you." Just saying what I've written is expressing that he isn't the same as us. He is the Lord our God, Savior of mankind and creator of the universe. That's things we can't do that makes Him different than us. If you can't understand this then there is no point of continuing the conversation.

 

It's a little stranger that that. I know that is your religious view. I'm not here to change that, but I think you have to recognize the view from outside your cloister if you want to hold discussions such as this one.

Jesus did claim to be a man. He was born of a woman. He died when crucified.

 

Yes..... this is what I have read as well!

For decades I really questioned the idea of a trinity but
now I do think that there is a lot of logic in it since some near death experiencers
are reporting that Messiah is a person... .the Holy Spirit is a person and the Ancient of Days the
Father is also a person...... but they can walk inside of each other... which would perhaps fit nicely with
String Theory.... invisible dimensions operating at higher and higher levels of energy???

 

My beliefs on all of this have changed over the years, I now believe that the Holy Spirit could well be a person but the most important thing about the Holy Spirit is to know that all of us can have more of it and this happening will change the way that the world works.



https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/howard-storm.html#a04

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https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/joe/2/1/s_878001

 

You're the one that quoted "E=mc2"
Why? For what purpose did you quote that? How does it apply to anything else you have said here?
Or how does it apply to anything said by anyone else here?

 

Perhaps "stupidity" itself is rather harmless...but "Intelligent stupidity" is highly dangerous.
It takes great intelligence to split the atom...but building and stockpiling nuclear weapons
is stupidity. Any intelligence that man is given...he will use for destruction in any way possible.
Any bragging about man's so called intelligence....."is just plain ridiculous"

 

You have been denying the scientific concensus and calling Einstein a "Wienie" Einstein was the one who came up with E= mc2.

 

It certainly wasn't OK to say he was THE Son of God. 'Hear O Israel. The Lord is our God, The Lord is one'. It was acceptable to say A son of God - as all Jews believed they were, in accordance with OT. scriptures

 

What have I denied? And how does Einstein...wiener....or whatever you wish to call him
have anything to do with your arguement?

You still offer no logical explanation for this....

 

To..... just say what you have written...would be just expressing your own opinion
or someone else's opinion that you are repeating.

You have given no Bible reference to any quote where Jesus claims to be any different than the rest of us.

You are only making assumptions...assumptions and opinions are not actually proof of anything.

 

You were calling Einstein a Wiener - no I - Koko

 

So, education must be stopped at all cost?

Really?

 

Those claims are made quite well in the bible.

 

Isn't that statement going a bit too far??
I don't recall saying anything against learning.

 

Lol....God have mercy on your poor poor horse....

If Jesus made such claims....then why wont you share them?
Please show such verses in the Bible

 

There are a lot of claims made in 'Alice in wonderland' but I don't hold much store by them. Matthew claims Jesus is foretold in Hosea 11 which is a lie. Luke says Joseph went home to Nazareth 40 days after the birth while Matthew says Joseph went to Egypt. The nativity stories are easily disposed of by study of Roman and Jewish laws of the time. Terah is said to set out for Canaan and ended at Haran. Ur is on the Euphrates which Terah would have followed. Haran is on the Tigris farther north. How did he end up there. And why bother to go all that way when there was a trade route across the desert with a stopover settlement halfway for food and water. The Bible seems to lack something of reliability. No-one knows for sure what the Jewish preacher Jesus said. He was a Jew and some of the things he is supposed, by the writers, to have said would have ostracised him from the people. The Christian element was added later for obvious reasons.

 

I think you claimed that the stupidity of mankind becomes more dangerous as we learn.

And, this was in the context of advances in physics, wasn't it?

I don't accept that we can resolve the problem of man's stupidity by protecting man from greater understanding - by preserving ignorance.

 

Amen.

 

Is that so?
I think my point was more to that fact that man uses his so called intelligence to destroy....
I really don't see much sense in celebrating that.

Doesn't matter what context.....greedy humans use whatever they can for destruction....

nobody is suggesting that....you're making that up yourself.

 

Answer: What are the obvious reasons oh wise Obe Wan Kanobi? Were you there? The Apostles were given authority to continue to preach the words of the Savior, His Atonement and build up His Church he started. The Apostles eventually were killed, some died naturally and at first, new Apostles were called like Paul. Paul was inspired and receive revelation for God to continue the work. Eventually the Apostles were not replaced as the people began to pervert the Gospel and an apostacy took place for hundreds of years.
How pathetic of an attempt to cast doubt. And was so easy and boring to respond to. But, I'm sure you will continue to

 

Luke says Joseph went home to Nazareth 40 days after the birth while Matthew says Joseph went to Egypt.

Cougarbear quote

Answer: How many thousand years were spoken of in a small part of Genesis? Those who look for contradictions often overlook the fact that Biblical accounts are rarely exhaustive in their scope as this example. Just like you may leave out some stops along the way across the country or world on your vacation. Luke does not say the infant wasn't taken into Egypt on their trip, does it! In a brief commentary by the authors such as Luke and Matthew, the journey of Joseph and Mary from Nazareth to Bethlehem; birth of the child; presentation in the Temple; return to Bethlehem; visit of the Magi; flight into Egypt; return to settle in Nazareth. :-/~

Jesus was presented for redemption in Jerusalem on the 8th day That leaves a journey 200 miles on foot into Egypt and a 300 mile journey back to Nazareth. In thirty-two days. 10 days after birth On foot. Carrying a baby? Nowhere to sleep. Through desert country that was dangerous to lonely travellers. Joseph and Mary weren't nomads - used to a wandering life.
Then you think that Herod died in those 32 days and Rome in Italy was able to appoint and set in motion for the 3 sons to take over. And for Archelaus to have shown his tendencies for ill treating people in that space of time?

Reality please.

The idea that Jesus was to go to Egypt is found nowhere in prophecy. Matthew misquotes Hosea 11:1. This applies simply to Israel. If you want to add Jesus to that verse then Jesus must have completed the rest of the chapter. Like all the supposed quotes concerning Jesus in the OT they are taken out of context or misinterpreted. Like the Psalm 22 - which is you study Davids life according to the Bible - is clearly David looking back on his own life, the betrayal of most of his family (often due to his own faulty lack of discipline - and being stabbed in the back by his favourite son. Isaiah 53 is another quoted so often. Did you know that there was no Isaiah chapters 53 until the 14th century. Isaiah was written as one book. The Hebrews did not use chapters, verses or vowels in their writings. It wasn't until a Catholic priest decided to adapt the Bible and split it into chapters , verses later, according to his interpretation. Of the 4 suffering servant songs in Isaiah the 4th actually begins in t the last verses of chapter 52. The whole book was written about Israel. 'Chapter 53' on contains the 'hope' that the Jews, suffering as they had and will in the future, will eventually be led by a man who will be victorious over his enemies and lead Israel to rule under Jahweh. This was written 800 years before any Jesus was even thought of. Would you be concerned if a 'prophet' told you that the world was going to end in 2821CE. You'd simply get on with your life. It's too distant to worry about.

I wasn't there. neither were you. You simply rely on a book. Look at Islam, the same happened to spark its beginning. Mohammed supposedly was divinely inspired. His followers suffered in the beginning, until they used force to expand their beliefs. The Church did the same. If you didn't believe you were damned, or you ended up before an inquisitor. You weren't allowed a Bible - if you could read - it had to be 'interpreted' to you by an indoctrinated priest. Jewish children were indoctrinated from the age of 5 with Judaism (learning the Torah - first 5 books. and later the Oral Torah - rest of the Tanakh. The church used the same method for centuries.
Similarly with many modern religious groups. It only takes one man to convince a few and off we go. Hammurabi was inspired by Marduk to write his code of living. Moses ditto with the 10 commandments. Cyrus was inspired also by Marduk to let Babylonian captives free - not just the Jews.

I'm not complaining about Christianity but all religions. Each is right - to the exclusion of any other. And no-one can prove that any god exists.

I think I've studied enough over my lifetime of 8 decades. My first Sunday school lesson was during WW!! - the group led by free church members including my Christian mother. After many years of preaching and study I am now an atheist. You need to study the times, laws, background and Judaism of the day. Mary had no need to go anywhere while she was pregnant. Jews respected the state of pregnancy and period of weaning. She had no need to supposedly go the Bethleham in Luke. See the similar in the birth of Samuel. One year Elkanah, Pennina and Hannah went to the 'temple' in Shiloh to fulfil the law. The next year Hannah had given birth and stayed at home.

 

500 mile trip in 32 days. Assuming walking 4 miles per hour for 12 hours is 48 miles per day. 48 x 32 days = 1,344 miles. 4 miles per hour 8 hours a day = 1,024 miles
3 miles per hour for 6 hours per day = 576 miles. Doesn't seem that hard to me.

I think your 8 decades have overwhelmed your mind to be able to see the simple truths. Jesus warned about those who sit around and do nothing but learn without applying what they learn with good deeds and works. You background has done you in. Yet, I've been around 6+ decades and Jewish for 23 years and Christian for 44 years. And, my testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost is stronger than ever. What's your problem? I gave you simple yet direct and correct answers. All you could do is murmer more nonsense.

 

Realism is not your strong point is it. A young mother with a new baby. Use your intelligence and some understanding of the human body. We are talking rough roads, dangerous roads, heat and tiredness.. And certainly not a young woman recovering and with a baby - in arms. Plus the fact that they would undoubtedly wait and travel as a group. Palestine and the desert were not peaceful places for lonely travellers. The parable of the Good Samaritan is an indication of how the Jews saw their country. Even one of Jesus disciples carried a sword, remember. Hydration is another factor in the desert heat. . If you're Jewish and living in Israel, then you should know this. If you've been in the forces you should know what it takes to do what you suggest regards walking. And that's for trained personnel. I've had to do it but didn't have to contend with middle east heat. We're not talking of today - but 2000 years ago. A young woman/girl with a baby. Her needs have to be met. The Babies needs have to be met. Realism is not your strong point - but then it's the same with most Christians.

And the answers you gave me are simply non answers.

We certainly don't know what Jesus said. All we have are words in a book written long after the preachers death by mainly unknown writers. And how Matthew could remember what Jesus said in the Sermon on the Mount (3 chapters - though most of the beatitudes actually come from the OT) -some 50-60 years later when he must have been as old as me, I have no idea. is unbelievable. Did Jesus have a stenographer using shorthand. Not in Hebrew or Aramaic anyway.