When Chauvin is acquitted...

Read the links.

Yes and yes

I am proven right DEAL WITH IT

 

Wow.

Things are not always what they seem at first glance.

 

You got it wrong, CO, Chauvin is a jerk, and a murderer, and though Floyd is no spring chicken, he most certainly didn't deserve to die.

And, after TOBIN's testimony today, not looking too good for Chauvin. He poked holes in the defense in a very big way.

 

IF you offered that argument on the closing argument, you will guarantee that Chauvin will be convicted.

Everything you said is emotion, and has no bearing on that facts of this case.

Chauvin is a murderer and deserves Murder 2. Tobin's testimony today really drove home that point.

 

So, ho many people in Australia accidentally get shot by cops per year? The answer is not zero but it is waaaay lower per capita than America and a lot of that is we do not get paranoid about every person being armed because fewer criminals in Australia are armed

 

According to the Toxicologist today you are completely wrong

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/08/us/george-floyd-fentanyl-toxicologist.html

He [ the expert toxicologist ] said that as a person’s body processes fentanyl, it is turned into norfentanyl, and that Mr. Floyd had a relatively high proportion of norfentanyl, indicating that his body had already processed a substantial portion of fentanyl. That bolstered prosecutors’ argument that Mr. Floyd had not overdosed; fentanyl overdoses often occur shortly after the drugs are taken, before a person’s body can break down much of the drug.

Very small amounts of Methamphetamine were found, as well.

 

No, Tobin's testimony proved, beyond a reasonable doubt, Floyd was murdered. I wouldn't call it murder one, but perhaps murder 2, but manslaughter, at the minimum.

Watch the full clip, it's on google. Also, the toxicologists backed him up saying that it wasn't drugs that killed him, nor did drugs contribute to his death.

 

Two experts testified today, one on pulmonary physiology and the other on toxicology, and they confirm that Floyd did not OD. He died because of not enough oxygen to the brain and heart via pressure from the three officers knees on his back and neck, and his prone position when his hands handcuffed behind his back. They went into great detail. There is no counter argument here. The defense tried to poke holes, but it was easily refuted on re-direct.

 

What will happen when Chauvin is acquitted?

We will never know.

Because Chauvin WON'T be acquitted.

 

Sure, sure, that is why Crowder died when he had the maneuver applied to him for 11 minutes.

 

What a load of crap that was. LOL at 1:37 when he lifted his head with no effort at all while a knee was supposed to be restraining him

 

I'm trying to imagine a situation in which Steven Crowder pleads that he can't breath and is ignored.. falls unconscious and is ignored.. stops breathing and is ignored for another 3 1/2 minutes... shows no sign of a pulse in his body and is still ignored for another 2 minutes and 44 seconds. Instead we see the two individuals on top of Crowder complying to each and every request he makes to reposition themselves. It's not like Floyd never made any requests to be repositioned, he literally spent his dying breaths pleading with the officers to be repositioned. Also worth noting that there were 3 officers restraining Floyd, not 2. There was one on his neck, one sitting on his back, and one sitting on his feet,

Then there's the fact that Hennepin County Officers are trained to give CPR to individuals who experience a medical emergency in their custody, yet the ones on the scene with Floyd didn't provide any, even after Floyd fell unconscious, and even after the officers acknowledged he had no pulse.

Fun fact, if someone falls unconscious in your home and you dial 9-11 for help, one of the first things the dispatcher will tell you to do is roll the person over on their side and make sure their breathing isn't being restricted. This is an exact situation which officers are trained to deal with for when someone is in their custody, and at one point one of the officers on the scene even suggests rolling Floyd over on his side, but officer Chauvin refuses.. there's just no excusing that kinds of behavior

 

I have read the links of the testimonies of the chief and trainer. You’re wrong. You should be used to it by now. Hahahaha

 

Considering the evidence so far, it's hard to imagine any objective observer not believing that at least the 2nd degree manslaughter charge will result in a conviction. If that is the only charge the jury can agree upon, on which to convict, while I can see many believing Chauvin was getting off lightly, I do not think it will lead to rampant criminality, in protest. We will have to wait, to see if that is the scenario which plays out.

But if the jury comes back with the shocking verdict of not guilty, on all counts, then I would not doubt that your prediction is correct; nor should anyone be surprised by that, or judge harshly a completely understandable reaction, to not just one particular case, but to a national justice system in which the same sort of case plays out again & again, with the same result, making one race feel their lives are not attributed real value.

If you lived in a majority black country where the reverse was true, I would expect it likely you would be among the white rioters, when the black officer, even though his behavior was condemned by his fellow-officers, was acquitted of a filmed killing of a white suspect, handcuffed, in the prone position, and passed out, upon whom the officer continued for several minutes more with his body weight, through his knee, pressing down on the victim's neck, especially if this was not an isolated case, but part of a clear, ongoing pattern. Am I wrong about that (your reaction in the reversed situation)?

 

We already have four hundred million guns. Making them illegal will only result in the lawless having guns and the law abiding not having guns.

I will give up my guns one second after all the lawless give up their guns.

 

Who sai d anything about making them illegal?

 

So what was your point?

 

You seem to have a lot of side steps... Floyd starts the interactions with the police that he "can't breath". For 20 minutes, they tgetting h him out of his car, can't breath. Try moving him to a car, "can't breath". Asked if he's on drugs, denies it. (lies) Asked if he needs medical, denies it, suggests he's distraught that his mother just died (Lies) The entire interaction with Floyd is peppered with his statements that he can't breath.

When they put him in the car, he claims he can't breath. The police turn on the A/C, says he a'can't breath". All the while, Floyd offers resistance and is agitated and combative. The problem with the NYTs article is that it is contradicted by both the body cam footage, as well as the coroner, and the department witnesses for the prosecution. I'd ask why the NYTs reporting is so dishonest at this point, wouldn't you?

 

Gosh. And when in cross exam they had to walk that narrative back, or did you miss that part? There was no physical evidence of asphyxia caused by external means. Per the coroner's report, which has been provided on several threads here now. The speculation of the expert witness (Tobin) does not change the facts that asphyxia was caused by the toxins which created hypotensive asphyxia. The testimony is designed to fool you into believing a narrative that just doesn't have evidence. The hard truth here is dude was being restrained and died because he was hopped up on Fentanyl and Meth, and Oxy. And when questioned, the experts all had to admit that the levels of those drugs in the system all would create hypotensive asphyxia. The prosecution is relying on folks not to be able to understand the differences, something that seems to have worked on you.

 

could, not would

just for perspective, the prosecution covered tolerance

Oregon Man Records .77 BAC During DUI Arrest, Reportedly Highest Ever (tmz.com)

 

Actually, according to the coroner, did. Tolerance is an interesting excuse. Perhaps given mr Floyd's long history with police and incarceration, he had a tolerance to restraints? Careful the door you open here....

 

Any person with a functioning brain and the ability to accept whats real (like it or not) knows that a trial is a crapshoot. It's hardly the pursuit of justice- but a pursuit of victory- and the only time it's not is when free men of good character are free and able to speak truth to evil- and that is precisely what is in danger here. Lawyers present lies to support their side sprinkled with the facts that help them and deny the rest. I've seen witnesses, lawyers, judges all lie and demonstrate that their decisions had nothing to do with truth- but this is a case far beyond that; it's totally an exercise driven by the politics and the mobsters who intend to dictate justice on their own terms. No case in living history was more in need of a change of venue, and the judge in Minneapolis denied that- so it's quite clear that this court is intimidated by the mobs to the extent it can't be depended on to preserve justice. Thus- that IS in the hands of the jury.

It's not a matter of the jury being smart; the truth is becoming undeniable. This isn't a challenge of intelligence, but one of courage- the courage to reject political bullshat, bullying and mob intimidation. The jury has to ask themselves if they have the balls and backbone to do the right thing, and acquit. It's that simple, and that difficult.

So this jury could do anything. Aside from the truth in front of them, they live in a community which has allowed lib radicals and mobs of thugs to intimidate anyone including the city governance without consequence. Several citizens called for jury duty in this case refused to serve out of fear of what the trash holding the city hostage might do the them or their family in revenge. All this, as well as the riots, the new passion for calling any one and everything racist, and attempting to destroy the integrity and confidence of the American people and the pride in our nation lies totally on the heads of the new, "woke" liberals and their marginal cronies. These people leave a trail of disaster everywhere they go.

Justice is pretty well dead in their parts of the nation, but their agenda is repulsive to any honorable person and eventuality, justice will be revived and prevail. Maybe Minneapolis has had enough, and the ass-kicking that is sorely needed to stamp out that evil will begin with this jury. That is most certainly the righteous thing to do. Will Minneapolis find it's spine? If not now- when? We know the libs behind this crap won't find theirs; most of them hate the idea of standing upright and strait. They are like the white men the indians knew as having forked tongues; incapable of acting in good faith.

 

Would that be the same "expert witness" I saw on HLN who indicated that smoking did not bother 90% of those who smoked. Who referred to Floyd as a healthy man and that the "small amount of drugs" he had taken would not cause asphyxia?

 

It is not difficult to see what is going on here. What the core of the dwindling Republican Party has become. It can be seen in their Republican heroes. Such central, thought provoking luminaries as the late great Rush Limbaugh and the current star of the show,Tucker Carlson, have long been preaching to the choir. What Right thinking man could ever convict Derek Chauvin for the death of the likes of George Floyd? I completely understand the sentiment.