US military cites rising risk of Chinese move against Taiwan

China better be careful ... they can't survive on just selling goods to Russia ...

of course this would mean empty shelves everywhere ...

 

But we would not be force-feeding democracy to anybody. Taiwan is democratic and would like to remain that way.

We did not have to storm Normandy Beach, liberate France and Italy, and march to Berlin, nor bomb the hell out of Germany and Japan and force them both to unconditional surrender, over war declarations. There was much more to that war than technicalities, and again, Germany and Japan were not that big a threat to us. In fact, we know that both powers were quite reluctant to go to war with us.

In the case of China, I don't think it would be necessary to go so far, either. The most we probably have to do is keep them in line. We need to ensure that it is too costly a proposition for them to invade Taiwan, bottom line. Ditto Russia and their neighbors, by the way. China and Russia probably don't want to lose a lot of lives over these land-grabs of theirs, either. Hong Kong and Crimea were taken with no losses to speak of, and that is what we must be sure to change for them going forward.

 

Not our fight.

Either we took part and ensured much of Europe would remain an ally and trading partner, or allow Soviet Union to take over the whole continent. We had a dog in that race.

 

The Chinese absolutely will not, read my lips, Absolutely will not invade. They live in constant fear of retribution from Xoe Xiden. Let’s just call him China Killer Xoe.

 

Taiwan is a dog in the race. In case you forgot, TSMC and a lot of other vitally important companies are located there. There are also other allies in the region to consider, from Australia on up to South Korea and Japan. You let China go too far, you place them in jeopardy and really ruin our reputation and position as a superpower. Do you want us to be a paper tiger and retreat across the sea when the going gets a little rough, and lose Asia and the Asian Pacific in the process?

 

sure if you want US dance to taiwan tones, taiwan know if they want to be true independent, they need drag US into its war. so say US guarantee taiwan security, and taiwan announced independence which is red line for china to invade. would US fight china because taiwan drag US into a war no one want except taiwan. dont get played. there are many taiwaness want China to attack so they can rely US to shelf out the $$ and blood to fight for them. 20+ years in afahan/iraq, but china-US war could go WWIII or nuclear. russia could easily invade east ukraine and assert its power in east EU, this is when US is too busy dealing with china, dont forget Iran/NK. what happen if NK with China backing, start invading SK, and NK got nuke too. a land war in asia is a mess, remember korea/vietnam war. it would make iraq/afahan war look like child play.

 

Going to war to defend foreign corporations is not a very good reason.

China has been talking about Taiwan for decades, but never said anything about Australia, Japan or South Korea. Why? They are interested only in Taiwan. It is an old issue for them because they consider it part of China (be that right or wrong).

 

yea chance to go wwiii. because we dont want to be paper tiger lol. also dont forget taiwan, they could easily antagonize china into invading them in order to get US involved. dont know about you but superpower dancing to taiwan tones doesn't sound great.

 

You really have a habit of mischaracterizing and oversimplifying the situation, and you completely ignore the greater implications of allowing dictatorships to thrive and spread. People said what you're saying in the lead-up to WWII, too, and that actually kept us out of the war until Pearl Harbor. By standing back and waffling, things got worse for the world, including for us. If we back down from these new Axis powers, we're inviting more trouble for others in the region and, ultimately, for ourselves.

Do you not comprehend that we are a wealthy, powerful nation because of our position in the world, and that you are advocating for us to walk away from that? It's like the Russians have given your opinion to you on this issue. They, China, North Korea and Iran would absolutely love to see us be stupid, cowardly isolationists again. That's why their disinformation targeting us advocates just that. That's at least one reason they keep stirring up nativism and nationalism. It was quite a coup when they got that useful orange idiot into the White House, too. That really furthered their cause of turning us into a fallen Rome and a total non-threat to them.

 

yeah, when Trump was threatening to use nukes, it was scary

 

Much of the world’s supply of computer chips comes from Taiwan, and most are made by the Taiwan Semiconductor company. China wants their factories and the brains and expertise that supports them. If China invades, these facilities must be destroyed, and the scientists and infrastructure specialists must be relocated to the USA. China has not been able to produce competitive chips.

 

you do know china hire alot taiwness and other international engineer and scientist in their own chip companies right? also SMIC CEO/Owner is taiwness as well and he was ex-empolyee from TI. they dont need to use force to get those tech from taiwan, they can just buy it or hire top engineer from US/SK/japan/taiwan. Many of silicon valley CTO or lead engineer already hired by many chinese venture and work for them for years.

also TSMC just a step in the high end manufacture process, there are other company around world making lithographic/EDA and other tools required for making chips, SK/Japan/US/Netherlands etc etc
furthremore, 80% of world chips are not high end and are above 25nm chips, china already have the know how to manufacture those low-mid level chips.

 

We have automotive lines closing because they can't get these computer chips, 70% of which come from Taiwan. I've been watching to see if our military also depends on these computer chips that are supplied by Taiwan. If so, that was some damn poor planning, but, if the US and the Free World are dependent on these computer chips from Taiwan, we better be thinking about moving overwhelming and coordinated naval power into this area.

And after that, locating this chip manufacturing in the Americas.

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Cheap consumer goods might just turn out to be the most expensive bargain in history.

 

We are financing China out of out own wallets because multinational companies have no country except when they get in trouble.
China is winning, and Tiawan will fold like a cheap tent. They know we will be mad at them for a year or two and soon forget about it to sell cheaper than the next guy.

 

The China generals say that all their military recruits want to do is play video games and masturbate all day. Taiwan is a very hard target and they will fight furiously. If Taiwan was easy to take, China would have taken then a long time ago rather than talking about it for 75 years. The Strait is stormy, the beaches are small and heavily mined the cliffs are steep and the Island is networked with tunnels that will make the island very difficult to control.

https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/night-lights-went-out-taipei

 

China worry about US intervention, thats the reason why they haven't take it yet. also most younger taiwaness dont want enroll into military. they have shortage of military personnel now
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...hard-sell-despite-china-tension-idUSKCN1N20U3

 

Well let's think about who is responsible for the threat in the first place. Who funded the Chinese military and created this massive threat?
Wall Street...America

 

An exaggeration.

 

And us 'Mercan's who bought their products. The no holds barred race to the lowest price possible is a flaw of capitalism, and may cost us our country.

 

Damn it... I guess that means the prices of computer components is going to skyrocket. RAM prices especially.

 

That is a good point. Wouldn’t the best way of defeating China be to just stop all trade with them? No more modernizing their military.

 

US-China trade account about 4% of china GDP, most their GDP is from domestic consumer now. Also even US stop trade, other countries wont, that just mean US company lack out of a big market. example Qualcomm one of US high tech, 66% of its revenue coming from china, what happen to Qualcomm if that revenue is cut off, it goes flop, samsung would happy to take over Qualcomm market share in china. This is just one company, Boeing sell to china are in the 500billion to trillion in the next decade, GM/ford/ and other companies revenue also heavily rely on china. These company spend well over tens trillions into china market for the past few decades, tell them to pull out, watch stock crash. while we ban most china investment into US, china more than happy to allow foreign company setup shop there, with cheap labor, tax exemption, sometime build hub/factory free for these companies, it tie their profit/revenue to china. Now with growing middle class there, no company gonna just ignore it. ppl over-estimate china reliance on cheap good export to US, its peas compare to their total GDP.

 

Trump was working toward that goal, and the multinationals were against him, too.

 

Well, I think Biden needs to pick up where he left off. Being economically reliant on a nation that is such a major adversary is not a good idea.

 

trump also lower multinational tax to 14%