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Voters identifying as Republican is the lowest it has been in a decade

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  1. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dutch, Apr 9, 2021
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dutch, Apr 9, 2021
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    Better look again..

    Biden Border Crisis Worse Than Previously Reported: More Than 13,000 Unaccompanied Migrant Children Now in US Custody: CBS
    March 16, 2021 at 10:00pm
     
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  4. Lee S

    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    I don't don't see the trend continuing inexorably. Do you remember all those predictions that the GOP was finished while Obama was President? What happened to those predictions? Well, people had eight years of governance by the Democrats and it was time for everyone hoping for a change. The pendulum always swings. The Democrats are good at getting candidates elected, but then when they get in office, those candidates have the management skills of celery. So the pendulum swings and the Republican get elected and those elected officials have the personality skills of a rattlesnake.

    I think it is important to remember that nobody actually thought Joe Biden was the best person in the United States to be president. He was just the person that the Democratic machine spat out, and more importantly, he was not Trump. (Likewise, no one really wanted Trump to get nominated, but he wasn't Hillary Clinton, and that was enough.) After four years of Biden, (or 2 years of Biden before it is obvious to absolutely everyone that lucid thought rarely visits Joe Biden due to old, old, old age), I am pretty sure that the degenerate that the Republicans put up for office will beat the degenerate the Democrats nominate to take President Cornpop's place.
     
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    A very interesting analysis.

    In that vein:

    Do you feel that Donald Trump is the best candidate for the GOP in 2024?
     
    Andrew Jackson, Apr 9, 2021
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    I guess you missed that whole, "...now in US Custody..." part of your own headline. If it were the "open borders" that
    you MAGA talk about, those people wouldn't be in custody - they would simply have walked across the border without
    any interference. You guys crack me up - you don't even seem to understand the basics.
     
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    A particular Google associate fired.
    A particular actress fired.
    Read up on articles about how the left ostracizes those who don’t agree with them.
    BLM executed police last year.
    Read up on Corporate America and woke culture.
    Are you not aware of how biased Hollywood, tech leadership and academia have become?

    I feel like I’m talking to someone with no awareness of anything outside their little bubble.
     
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  8. Lee S

    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    Of course not. Trump behaves like a teenager. He always has to get the last word in on his childish Twitter feed. This makes him look petty. (Maybe because he really is that petty.) Also Trump was his own worst enemy. There is an American truism that comes from the time of Thomas Jefferson; never go to war with someone who buys ink by the barrel. You war with the press, you may take them down a notch or two, but they are pulling you down with them. It was foolish of Trump to think that warring with the press was a strategy any President could persue. Okay, it was entertaining to watch, but who got the last laugh?
     
    Lee S, Apr 9, 2021
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    While brief, it lacks thought.

    Polls that claim 1000 people who still answer unidentified calls represent the country, require profound levels of gullibility to believe. Those with successful careers and families are not represented in these numbers.
     
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  10. Arkanis

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    Not True.

    There are more leaning democratic independants than before.
     
    Arkanis, Apr 9, 2021
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    I am aware of things outside my bubble. I am just not inside YOUR bubble which is why I asked the question.

    I think it's hypocritical for people to complain about being discriminated against or even ostracizes when that same thing has been happening to various groups of people for centuries. It is just suddenly an issue because YOU (not you, personally, but a collective "you") are experiencing it. It didn't matter when Group X faced the same problems. That is not justification for it to happen but merely to point out the double-standards.
     
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    It’s not who they nominate that matters. Why matters are the rank and file members and down vote candidates. They need to be more competitive in different places otherwise the democrats will just simply out number the GOP.
     
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  13. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    Statistically, there is an erosion of the Republican vote.

    That is undeniable.

    Millennials voted 65% for Biden in 2020.

    This is the first time in history that a political party has been able to rely so heavily on the support of young voters.

    Republicans could bank on their low vote share, but Democrats know that if millennials are mobilized, a right-wing candidate has no chance of being elected in the WH.
     
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  14. Lee S

    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    You do have a point about the young vote, but young people voting liberal has been a trend since before Socrates. That means nothing in terms of long term trending. Young people stay liberal until they start getting taxed heavily and then they begin turning conservative. This has also been a trend forever.

    According to Pew research, there doesn't seem to be much change in party affiliation in the last two decades so I think your undeniable assertion is actually quite deniable:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/politic...n-party-affiliation-among-demographic-groups/

    There does seem to be a slight increase in left leaning independents, but independents are not very reliable in terms of who they vote for, because they are,,,,,, well, independent.

    We hear about the death of one party or the other pretty reliably, once every two years over the course of the last 150 years or so, and yet the two parties are pretty much entrenched with the American public pretty much repulsed by the idea of giving one party all of the power. The abomination of the Affordable Care Act and the Dodd-Frank Act is a good warning to future voters as to what happens when one party gets all the power. I think most independents would rather divide power than give one party full control. Or do they just vote for the prettiest candidate? I keep forgetting which is the most likely scenario.
     
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    I guess you miss how many slipped thru ;) Well more like IGNORE how many more slip thru!
     
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  16. Arkanis

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    The issue of taxation is now a minor factor in the political orientation of voters.

    And no Democratic president since Clinton has impoverished the middle class with taxes.

    You're banking on the fact that at least 30% of millennials will change their political orientation within 15-20 years to restore the political balance in the country.

    Now, if Biden wins a second term, the Democrats will have controlled the WH 16 of the last 20 years.

    Unless there's a major turnaround and considering that the GOP has become more radical in the last 6 years, Republicans will have to be content with watching the train pass by for a long time to come.
     
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    Thank God for gerrymandering.
     
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    When Republicans control the House in a couple of years, we are going to impeach Biden three times!
     
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    Joe Biden will be very lucky if he finishes his first term. He seems rather addled most of the time. The GOP is actually further to the left of where they were 40 years ago. I think that most could make a better argument that the Democratic Party has been radicalized to a much greater extent than the Republicans. The Democratic Party was going to nominate an avowed socialist until he got cheated by the DNC. Having a socialist come close to winning a nomination was unthinkably radical 20 years ago.
     
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    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    I hope not. If the GOP wants to gain dominance for a decade or longer, the GOP wil resist every effort to remove Joe Biden from office. If the VP and the cabinet comes to congress to remove Biden via the 25th Amendment, then I think the Republicans should do everything they can to keep him in office.
     
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    socialism began under trump with the stimulus checks.

    the republican party radicalized into socialism first
     
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    President Biden will step down so that VP Kamala would lead Democrats to dominance

    the 25th amendment was designed for trump
     
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    Don't misunderstand, I think ranked choice voting is a good idea. It widens choice and it helps minor parties. I would recommend it. I am just pointing out that it isn't some silver bullet that is going to upend your political system and lead you to some electoral nirvana. I have seen numerous Americans talk about ranked choice as if it is the way to save American democracy or guaranteed to destroy it. Neither is true. It is an improvement, but only that.

    If you want to break the two party duopoly you need major surgery, not a facelift. I honestly don't know how to achieve that within the US system without changes to the Constitution that are never going to happen. Term limits aren't going to do it, that just ensures that people who actually know how to legislate get regularly replaced by people like Matt Gaetz or Ilhan Omar. Ranked choice voting won't do it. You need to completely change the way votes translate into representation: many more seats in Congress; more Senators per state; proportional representation. I don't see any of these options getting up.
     
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    Yes, true. I've been on MAGA sites where droves of people are saying exactly what I just said. Many lifelong Republicans are PISSED about the election fraud that took place, and pissed at the Republican Party for not fighting back against it and for not supporting the President.
     
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    There was no electoral fraud.

    All of Trump's claims were defeated in court.

    Does reality have any hold on you Trumpsters?
     
    Arkanis, Apr 12, 2021
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