Biden now wants to RESTART construction on Trump’s border wall to ‘plug gaps’ DHS head Mayorkas says

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  1. Bullseye

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    The importance of the phrase “plug the gaps” can’t not be emplhasized too much. It’s a tacit admission that “walls work”. Coming from the Biden administration it is golden!
     
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    Well...if you want to claim that it does, that would be your burden to prove.

    I don't know of much of a negative effect on the country as a whole that rises to the levels of the ones I listed (and many more). I can think of the fact that those who pay coyotes are empowering an illegal activity that has been known to be involved in human trafficking, which is bad. And it's a bit of a hassle to get them vaccinated during situations like the current pandemic. This one, of course, out of fear of deportation. And that it's a bit of a cost to process them, which causes cyclical humanitarian crisis at the border, of which they themselves are the main victims (which actually make xenophobes happy). Maybe the most relevant one is that they are sometimes willing to make less than the minimum wage in jobs that Americans just don't want to do which, while good for the economy, is pretty much almost like slavery (with the social implications). But the main problem with that is not so much the immigrant but the sleezeball who hires them. So yes, there are problems. But I can't actually think of anything that rises to the level of 30 or 40 other social, health and economic problems that we are facing right now. It's pretty low down on the list, as far as I can tell.
     
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    Right... I had buddies in the German Raketenschule der Luftwaffe there at Bliss in the 80's. It was really a great time to be in El Paso back then, before all the illegals, criminals, and other bullshit ruined everything.

    But, we would need to have drones armed, or else they'd be nothing but 'skeet targets'. How would you propose that we stop illegal invaders that barge into the United States? Should we sing "Kumbaya" to them as they surge across the border checkpoints demanding faux-'asilo' (asylum)? I don't know about you, but when I hear gunfire, the first thing I do is STOP, right in my tracks, and 'hit the deck'....
     
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    You did set the bar low using the term "Much" and viewing it as "Low down on the list" is a luxury I did not enjoy growing up.

    One example is the strain on our medical care. ERs are required to treat illegal immigrants and that expense causes closures. That causes overcrowding and thousands of hours of ambulance diversion. This increases your cost of healthcare while decreasing availability. If you are not at risk of dying in the waiting room, this may not be an issue.
     
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    When they "barge" across border ????

    In El Paso, half the vehicles are from Mexico.
     
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    Maybe it's time for you to change that perspective. If you sit down and analyze it, you realize it's really not that high a priority.

    You mean like DeSantis putting a strain on vaccine distribution in Florida by giving priority to his donors?

    Yes... I think that if all the problem this nation has to solve were put on a scale, taking into account that DeSantis actions involve corruption, those two would come out at pretty much the same level. At least to me, as a Floridian. Not good things to have, but not as urgent to solve as most others. Somewhere between 30th and 50th place in the list of priorities would be appropriate for them.
     
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    Sorry, but even though I was able to escape the neighborhood where gang members threatened to kill me and my family, other people have to live there. It is ironic hearing you talk about sitting down and analyzing data considering you would disarm CCW holders.

    On your diversion, you already have your vaccine, so maybe its time for you to change your perspective! I'm kidding, of course!
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, like Mexico kept all the asylum seekers and Illegal Aliens on their side of the border.

    But go ahead and say But it is better to capture them and release them into America :D
     
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    Interesting.... You jump from illegal immigration, to gangs, to guns, to vaccines, ... in less than four lines of text.... Looks like something I said triggered something in you that makes you randomly jump from one thing to another, to another... all completely unrelated.

    I'd love to know what it was so I can use it again in the future.
     
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    There's a lot of traffic due to 'maquiladoras'. They employ a lot of people in Juarez and El Paso, but those aren't the ones I'm talking about at all.

    No, I'm talking about uninvited invaders, not legitimate, credentialed Mexican citizens who come over on regular basis to work here.
     
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    back in Nam they used 'bamboo traps'

    https://www.wearethemighty.com/popular/8-of-terrifying-booby-traps/#:~:text=These are traps made with,fall on the spikes below.
     
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    It was you that jumped to DeSantis and you that referred to sitting down to analyze data. I replied to each of your points directly. Calling me triggered would require mind reading abilities and only add to your long list of false statement.
     
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    Drones are real, but they are not actual physical barriers. Step one is physical barriers, then you can add your drones, cameras, seismic devices, and whatever goodies you want, but if you just want those and no physical barrier, then you don't really want to stop people from crossing the border. You simply want to say you did, shrug, and say they can't be stopped.
     
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    How will those reaction teams see them cross under the ground in a tunnel?
    Or smuggled thru?

    It is a very expensive band aid at best.

    Any wall put up will be breached.
    We started with fences. Then bigger fences.
    Then walls. Then bigger walls.
    They keep on coming. It slows them down for a while. Then they figure out how to breach it. And we have to go bigger.

    Rinse and repeat.
     
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    The left didn't vote for a wall. So why would they fund it?

    The promise was Mexico would pay.
     
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    But, Mike, what kind of "physical barrier" could that be? Think about it... any physical barrier (like a 'wall') can be breached, vaulted over, tunneled-under, or otherwise rendered useless.

    A fleet of aerial, armed surveillance drones patrolling the border, day and night, every day of the year, is the only real solution to the problem now -- in the 21st-century.

    They can be 'flown' from any properly configured DOD computer console located anywhere in the world, they are relatively cheap to buy and maintain, and they can work in tight coordination with highly-mobile Border Patrol intercept squads that can quickly apprehend surviving invaders for immediate deportation!

    A 1,550 mile-long 'wall' on our southern border could never have fulfilled its original mission. It was doomed from the very beginning, as I predicted even back when Trump first announced his intentions about a 'wall' -- which he said MEXICO would pay for....
     
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    There you have it, I guess the smart play is to work with Mexico, like I have said 1M times.
     
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    So you call people you work or want to work "invaders" ??!!
     
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    A wall is a 4th century BC solution. They don't work, Trump's 4 yrs of a so called wall did nothing to stop anyone.
     
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    Bravo!!!

    Trump worked with Mexico, sleepy Joe works with an enlightened, progressive liberal Democrats :D
     
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    That is false, Trump did not work with Mexico, he insulted them, and the migration during his term was the most.
     
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    Biden Administration considers building more border wall to finish projects, fill in ‘gaps’
     
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    How Mexico Beefs Up Immigration Enforcement To Meet Trump's Terms

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    Mexican National Guard members prevent Central American migrants from trying to cross the Rio Grande from Juárez, Mexico

    Under pressure from President Trump's tariffs threat, Mexico reached a deal with the United States on June 7 to step up immigration enforcement and to take in more migrants waiting for their U.S. asylum hearings.

    https://www.npr.org/2019/07/13/7400...-immigration-enforcement-to-meet-trumps-terms

    My, canceling Trump season is in full swing! :D
     
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    What a senselessly disingenuous thing to say. The people who work -- LEGALLY -- in the "maquis" are not 'invaders' and THEY are not the problem... I already said that, although somehow you missed it entirely. People who have work-visas, and/or 'green card' permits to work in the U. S. are not 'invaders'. Am I getting through now? Are you sure you have any idea what you think you know about 'maquiladoras' in El Paso, Texas, or anywhere else along the U. S. - Mexico border?

    People who barge into the United States illegally are the "invaders" -- got that now...?! Citizens of foreign countries who try to slime their way into the United States using deceitful, fraudulent claims for 'asylum' are another big part of the problem -- got that now...?!
     

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