Yacht clubs, golf courses, gated communities: Florida’s pop-up vaccine clinics raise ethical concern

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    So you think it's best if you have them come to one location, like the elite gated community clubhouse, if that serves the political purposes of a Trump minion, and go to concentrated areas if it's a Democrat. Got it!

    Only problem is that, when vaccination started, there were not enough vaccines to do both. So they had to choose. Easy choice for Desantis. He just chose his donors.
     
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    Where did you hear that? Last I heard, McConnell was appealing to Republican men to get vaccinated.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/29/politics/mitch-mcconnell-covid-19-vaccine-republican-men/index.html

    I generally take people at that word (unless I have a reason that I shouldn't). I don't believe Trump got the vaccine. He is angry that he isn't getting enough credit for getting the vaccine to market so why wouldn't he be the first person to get vaccinated on television? The only reason I can think of is he is aware that his many in his base aren't comfortable getting the vaccine. So, he does it quietly (allegedly) and gives a lukewarm endorsement of the vaccine.
     
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    Immoral you say????

    Immoral is presenting a gene therapy device as a vaccine. Immoral is completely ignoring 'informed consent' statutes, and it's illegal too.

    Immoral is suppressing information regarding the success of HCQ and Ivermectin as treatments for the disease.

    The Plandemic is utterly immoral, but you want to blame DeSantis.
     
  5. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Exposed to what? Do you understand how vaccination appointments work? Appointments are spread 20 to 30 minutes from each other. Unlike your regular gated community clubhouse where they didn't even need an appointment.

    Keep them coming.... the more lame excuses for Desantis immoral behaviour, the stronger my case.

    Here you go.

    You can retract your statement, of course. In fact, I would advice that you do that. But don't claim you didn't say it.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    For using vaccination to pander to his donors, at the expense of others, I can definitely blame DeSantis.

    But thanks for the strawman. It again shows that my case is so strong that right-wingers are just desperate and unable to come up with a counter-argument that could be considered even moderately reasonable.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Attacking DeSantis is very easy given that he keeps showing us again and again how corrupt he is.

    The more you guys rely on strawman fallacies like the above, the stronger my case becomes. Keep them coming!

    I have yet to see anything even remotely resembling a reasonable argument to excuse DeSantis' immoral behavior. Thus confirming that there is no excuse. Unfortunately, it also confirms how desperate the right is to defend anybody with an R next to their name. I don't understand why Trump loyalists are unable to acknowledge that a politician with an R committed an immoral act. Even though it's so obvious that there is no excuse. Technically this is known as c[CENSORED] behavior.

    I'm serious. Think about it. Why are you so desperate to excuse something so inexcusable?
     
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    Just pretend DeSantis is Cuomo. Problem solved.
     
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    I don't know of anything he's done that could be called immoral. And btw, I'm hardly a Trump loyalist; I voted against him in both 2016 and 2020.
     
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    Do you really think that is how vaccine appointments work? Spread out between 20-30 minutes? No, you don't. You're just flailing. You were JUST arguing that rich people should be lining up in the long lines that poor people have to line up in in previous posts. Not to mention how laughable the idea itself is. One person getting vaccinated every 20-30 minutes? There's no way we'd be dolling out as much vaccines per day as we are now if that were the case.

    Says that person that just tried to claim that vaccine appointments are spread out in 20-30 minute increments. :roflol:

    Do you have a reading comprehension problem? You do know that section of my post is me explaining to you how I was reading your post? Hence the reason I stated "Because reading your post the only thing I can think of is that you're....". One would think saying those words would make it obvious. Additionally no where in it does it suggest that "The one you sent about the poor deserving to die more than the rich". Where you got such an idea from my interpreting your post I have no idea.
     
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    So you're saying DeSantis is also sexually harassing employees?

    I didn't know that.
     
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    Ah! So you haven't read the OP, I see.
     
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    I read it. There's nothing immoral in it.
     
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    Absolutely. I just helped a nephew get his appointment at Walmart. I did mine at Sam's Club... In those appointments are 20 minutes apart. My brother in law had his at Publix, and they were 30 minutes apart. My wife had it at a local hospital, and she says there were several labs in the hospital where they applied the vaccine to several people at the same time. But each one had its own waiting room with no more than one person waiting behind. When she made the appointments they were offered in 15 minute increments.

    Of course, there are the Fema posts where you just get in line with no appointment, but you're inside your car. A friend and his wife got it that way. They waited four hours. If you're a privileged member of the yacht club that DeSantis favors (because that's where his donors are), you don't wait four hours.

    I don't know how it is in other places. In any case, your argument is ridiculous. Not even going into the fact that popup clinics just applied them to anybody who showed up. But, even if it weren't so, your excuse is as lame as always.

    What is obvious is that you are digging yourself deeper into the hole. Because the above, next to, like you said: "You want them treated as if they were poor." makes my case.

    Any rational person would agree that absolutely I want the rich people treated as if they were poor! Because poor people have to stay hours on the phone, or with somebody trying to make an appointment online, or simply waiting in line in their car for hours... to get their shot. Donating to DeSantis campaign should not buy them the privilege to cut to the front of the line.

    Of course it would have been even better if the poor were treated like the rich. But there were not enough vaccines for that in January. Therefore, the rich should have needed to go through the same tribulations as the poor (and others). No privilege just because they are DeSantis donors. Contrary to what you claimed (and have yet to retract), the life of a rich person is not more valuable than the rich of a poor one.

    I'm done with this. I have proven that you did say what I stated, so... it's up to you whether you want to retract or not.
     
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    If you're not a Trump supporter... the difference, from an ethical standpoint, eludes me.
     
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    Much does, it seems.
     
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    LOL. If I thought he was I would say so. I’m simply pointing out it’s silly for you to complain about people defending DeSantis when you guys spent months worshiping the ground Cuomo walked on. Of course we’ve established in the past progressives are not self aware. That’s why I’m pointing out you are all birds of a feather.
     
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    Ok. I just have one question: Who's Cuomo?
     
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    The fellow that you claimed a few posts above is sexually harassing employees. You may want to see a doctor. Your short term memory seems a bit sub par. :)
     
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    It's called pay to play?!! I hope the feds investigate governor DeDumba*s too!

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