Derek Chauvin Murder Trial is on

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    No, they have to find him "not guilty" of each of the three charges.
     
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    I watched the video and no less than 3 expert witnesses (medically and phisiologically) corroborated in intricate detail what was plainly obvious on videos. Are you trying to convince me that what happened wasn't what happened?[/QUOTE]

    I think someone has already done that.
     
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    I havn't. It only seems that way because I'm at odds with a lot of people who have already decided he's guilty. Personally I think the city council, the police unions and to a small extent every citizen that doesn't get involved in their local government when its making LE policy is at fault for the bulk of police brutality.
     
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    First, it isn’t just about misreading m for n. One is a dose. The other is a concentration in the bloodstream. They are completely different metrics.

    As for this post, so many of your posts include outright falsehoods that I have to wonder whether you are doing it intentionally, or this is another example of you “misreading” something.

    That is NOT what the ME testified. He did not say it WAS a lethal dose. He said it COULD BE a lethal dose. There is a significant difference.

    “Baker said Floyd displayed what could be a “fatal” level of fentanyl, but he emphasized that drug concentrations are very “context dependent” and need to be interpreted with other circumstances.”

    He actually said it was the stress of the arrest that killed him - tipped a fragile man over the edge.

    “Hennepin County Medical Examiner Andrew Baker testified Friday that he thinks the stress of Floyd’s arrest overwhelmed his already-overburdened heart and “tipped him over the edge.”

    “The law enforcement subdual restraint and the neck compression was just more than Mr. Floyd could take by virtue of those heart conditions,” Baker said.”

    So yes, his heart condition made him vulnerable. And Chauvin killed that vulnerable man. According to the ME.
     
  5. Bob0627

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    It's what I meant but I'll stand corrected by your clarifications. The point was that there is no verdict for finding him innocent.
     
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    Correct, Chauvin convinced me that he murdered Floyd well before any expert witness corroboration.
     
  7. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree with you. Not of any malice vs Floyd at all. His petty crimes did not deserve him dying. But he ingested the drugs, he fought the cops, he knew he passed counterfeit currency and harmed others.

    Anyway the question now is for the Jury. I had more faith in juries until the OJ Simpson murder trial.
     
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    I wonder where the prosecution will resume Monday, was the ME their last witness? If so he went out on a plus for the defense. Was he their star witness?
     
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    Yes on my tablet I misread the letters but it is mute the ME testified he had a lethal dose, far above the lethal dose, of fentanyl in his system. That along with his extreme heart disease and then HIS choosing to fight and struggle with the police put too much strain on his heart and that is what killed him.
     
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    So it's not about the evidence to you.
     
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    The testimony was that people who are OD's or passing out on drugs particularly fentanyl can seem to pass out and the SUDDENLY become violent again, without warning. That last thing the officers wanted to do was to have to overcome him again and engaged in another struggle. They were trying to keep him on the ground, not fighting and restrained. They wanted nothing more for him to have been in the car strapped in as the wait for the arriving any second ambulance. Once on the ground they decided it would be best to just keep him there rather that continue to try and fight with him, to get him up and into the SUV. Floyd was a BIG man, a VERY muscular man. The officers had to make that on the spot decision what would be best until the ambulance arrived.

    When the lynch mob chants "No Justice No Peace" what they mean is "No Conviction for Murder and Life in Prison no Peace".

    How sad an uninformed, the only lynching in the works is that of Chauvin.
     
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    Perhaps.........

    It has certainly NOT been proven beyond a reasonable doubt so far.​
     
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    The ME said his medical condition may have contributed to his death, but the cause was police action.
     
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    As several medical experts have now testified, that is NOT how people who suffer fentanyl OD behave. Not that is matters, since they all agree it was not an OD anyway.
     
  15. LangleyMan

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    They're well on their way. The defense needs to come up Floyd dying from something other than his nine minutes under Chauvin's knee. Stay tuned.
     
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    I'm not in disagreement with you, and the gathering crowd also impacted the situation. The more stress you put on someone, the less ability they have to constantly assess and quickly adjust to a rapidly changing situation. As the senior officer on site, I'm sure he felt responsible for his fellow officers, understood that he could not properly clear the crowd for weapons, all that a person would have to do is draw, aim while standing behind someone, and then have them move clear, and shoot and these officers would never see it coming. If one cannot push things like that out of your mind, you'll position fix. While the officer had one situation when he applied the force, that situation was rapidly changing while Floyd was in the force position. Have you ever been in a shoulder pin armbar? I have, and even with both shins across your back (and none on the neck) it's excruciating. I think that the Officer could have safely removed the force, before he did, without putting himself or anyone of the other officers in greater danger. I don't think Floyd could have even gotten up, much less attacked, and the crowd, though without the training that these officers have (but also not in the same dangerous situation that the officers were in) clearly recognized this, and were loudly pleading this case to the officers, which they didn't respond to, and then Floyd died, just as they feared and predicted.

    This combined with the fear of mob action, I think, makes it highly unlikely that he will be acquitted, and even may take a conviction for a reckless disregard, off the table.

    I'm not stating my position, but, reality as I see it. That picture, and that video, simply provoke outrage and great sense that a deep injustice has occurred. I understand that logically you build a different path though the evidence, but, I'm not convinced that the jury will follow you through it.
     
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    I completely agree. The Defense hasn't put on their case yet, and they did a very good job of exposing great big flaws in the prosecution's case, but, while I like the facts for the defense, the visuals and current political circumstances are overwhelmingly in the prosecution's favor.

    How in the word do you overcome the threat of very real harm coming to the jurors homes and families if they don't convict for murder. We can argue this as theoretical, but, given what we have seen happen in the last 10 months, it's not easily dismissed.

    If forced to bet, that's mine, conviction followed by a quiet overturning on appeal once national attention has focused elsewhere.
     
  18. LangleyMan

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    Chauvin is entitled to a fair hearing. He hasn't had a chance to present his side.
    Perhaps citizens are responsible on a number of levels, from asking police to deal with social problems (racism, sexism, poverty) citizens individually and collectively don't bother to remedy, to tolerating bad cops just like they accept bad teachers. Kids have to go to schools with those bad teachers, and citizens have to put up with the bad cops.
     
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    That is a lie.

    The ME did not testify that he had “far above the lethal dose of fentanyl in his system”.

    If you can post a quote from the ME supporting your statement, do it and I will retract my accusation that it’s a lie, and apologise.

    The ME did not say that Floyd choosing to fight is what killed him. That’s another lie. Here is what he said.
    “Recounting his earlier statements to federal officials, Baker reiterated his belief that Floyd “experienced a cardiopulmonary arrest in the context of law enforcement’s subdual restraint and neck compression.”

    “It was the stress of that interaction that tipped him over the edge,” Baker said.
     
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    He even lies about what I post. And that's why there's no discussion to be had with such a dishonest poster.
     
  21. LangleyMan

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    The "gathering crowd?" These folks?

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    All the cops had to do get Floyd out of the area. I'd like to know why they didn't.
    The essence of Chauvin's problem. Would Floyd have died if Chauvin had reduced the level of force?
     
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    Yes, he has constantly made up his own "facts" throughout these threads on Chauvin's trial
     
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    Not enough.
     
  24. LangleyMan

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    You appear to have misunderstood the testimony.
     
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    Yeah all the ones tossing Molotov Cocktails at the police.
     

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