Trumpism and conspiracy theories: the two inseparable

What propaganda? Something like the White House having someone deal the border crisis when it loves what is going on?

 

Of course. What does that have to do with the discussion?

 

A common type of question when one does not want to face the facts.

 

I common type of response when someone doesn't want to answer a question.

 

Propaganda like the election was stolen from the Orange Insurrectionist. Propaganda like the Capital riot was caused by Dem plants. Or for that matter, propaganda like the WH loves what is happening at the border.

 

It was a "busy work" post by @fmw

That is when someone knows they have lost the point so they deny the truth and demand proof for common knowledge. Then, no matter what proof is submitted, they claim the proof is subjective and that their opinon is better than fact.

I don't play those stupid games.

 

Then propaganda is the wrong term. Opinion is more accurate. It is obvious to me that Trump believes what says whether it is right or wrong.

 

Maybe, but I doubt it. But that isn't the point. The point is a large portion of the POT believes the lies.

 

We may never know how many people really believe the conspiracies, and how many people just want Trump to have won, even though they know what the facts say. That even includes Trump himself. I’m not sure which kind is worse? The irony is that for those that choose to still stick with Trump will only have conspiracy theories to look forward to , because he ain’t leading or winning anything of significant consequence ever again.

 

Some people have lost their run for the presidency yet came back later to win the White House. I would not count Trump out just yet. He has a huge following and after the radical policies of Biden (set forth daily by radical Obama) the next election could prove Biden a one termer and conservatives could win, again.

 

Conservatives yes, Trump no.

 

Biden currently has a 54% approval rating.

A President is always re-elected at 50%+.

 

Then you shouldn't have said maybe. In effect I said what you call lies are, in fact, just opinions.

 

Good to know your crystal ball is working.

 

Its funny how people think Trump is the cause of 'conspiracy theories.' Trump was elected because people view our elite political establishment as conspiratorial. Operations Northwoods, Gladio, Mockingbird, Fast and Furious and Contra drug trafficking are just a few examples of duplicitous conspiracies our govt has been involved in, and all of them predate Trump's political career btw. Trump was the result of conspiracy theorists, which were themselves the response to actual conspiracies, and blaming folks for not trusting a system that has overwhelmingly proven itself unworthy of trust is not going to 'detoxify' anything.

 

The radicalization occurred over decades with the Party paying lip service to its adherents. It was an electoral strategy. Trump merely took advantage of the terrain and spoke for the radicalized.

A self destructive strategy gone array.

 

. . . it was a "real" video . . . there was no green screen . . . and no "editing" was used to make it look fake. It made the rounds all over the usual QAnon/Trumpist groups, but it can easily be debunked just be looking at another camera angle.

 

Except that in reality, Trump has not had anyone arrested.

No famous member of the so-called Deep State has been arrested during his presidency.

Yet, according to him, corruption is rampant in Washington.

On the other hand, many of his friends and collaborators have been thrown in jail.

That's a fact.

 

Proof?

Link us to some examples.

 

Opinions are like ... well, you know the rest.

If one's opinions are based on verifiably false information, are the still valid opinions? I think not.

 

Is it their opinion Trump was cheated out of the election or is it fact?

 

Ask them. We don't know if it was fact because it wasn't investigated.

 

Of course not. But in politics people on both sides can come up with their own truths so it isn't a simply situation.

 

Neither have the Jewish space lasers MTG claims started the fires in CA. A claim with the equivalent credibility as Trump won the election.

 

Yes, it is. There are not two truths regarding who won the election. What many Trump fans believe is a lie.