Russian Tanks Cross Border Into Ukraine

Nice GIF, but where's the bad poem?

 

Now, are these bombs falling on ISIS, Osama's paramilitary, Sadaam Hussein's forces in
Kuwait, North Vietnam, North Korea, Germany or Japan?
Have you any other friends I haven't mentioned?

 

The Russians got to Berlin before us.....is because we LET THEM get there before we did.

Patton was right....US should've taken Berlin....and halted the Soviet advance somewhere in Belarus.

There would've been no Warsaw Pact....and the Cold War wouldn't have lasted nearly as long as it did.

 

Let them? My ass. Maybe if Patton and the western allies were such badasses then they wouldn't have stalled for months and months while the Soviets advanced across Europe.

Patton was 80 miles outside Berlin when the Soviets got there. He wasn't told to stop his advance until the same day the Soviets had already arrived in Berlin.

WW2 fake news ZC.

 

Well the bombs weren't falling on ISIS, but they were falling on Belgrade illegally, Libya illegally, Iraq illegally, Syria illegally, and who knows where else - illegally of course. Nato was supposed to be disbanded when the Warsaw pact was, but we lied.

(Sing to the tune of Spring is busting out out all over)

War is busting out all over,
from China to the Middle Sea.
It's here and there, and everywhere
as we shall shortly see.

Now chaos is my middle name,
which I am proud to say,
and for the ones not in the know
it's called the American way - Jeannette​

 

Having watched China vs Australia at the World Trade Org, and Russia sneaking 'volunteers' into
neighboring countries, and China making 'islands' in the South China Sea or Russia giving us a
little taste of its banned chemical weapons like Novichok and Polonium etc I wonder what is the
definition of 'international law' ????? Maybe it's something YOU have to do, but WE DON'T.

But not to worry - we fix everyone's eyes upon America, and they don't see our fingers subtly upon
the scales of justice.

 

Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long year
Stole a nation's hope and dreams
I was 'round when the big Wall fell
And East Germany got away
Made damn sure that Russia
Would never be so free

Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you is the nature of my game

I stuck around the Kremlin
When I saw it was a time for no change
Became a Czar and the President
As the nation hoped and prayed
Controlled the news and the narrative
As Georgia burned and the Kursk's crew stank

Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name, oh yeah
But what's puzzling you is the nature of my game, ah yeah

I laughed with glee when U.S. patriots
Stormed the state and raised an asset's flag
I joked about a stroll and stability
When, after all, it was due to me
Let me please introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
And I've ordered hits on journalists
To send a message and pave my way

Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name, oh yeah
But what's puzzling you is the nature of my game, ah yeah

Just as every cop is a criminal
And all the sinners saints
As heads is tails, just call me Vladimir
'Cause I'm in need of some restraint
So if you meet me, have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse
Or I'll lay your home to waste, mm yeah

Pleased to meet you, hope you guessed my name, mm yeah
But what's puzzling you is the nature of my game, mmm mean it

Get down
Woo hoo!
Ah yeah, get on down
Oh yeah

Ba bum bum, ba ba bum....

Ah yeah
Tell me, baby, what's my name?
Tell me, honey, can you guess my name?
Tell me, baby, what's my name?
I'll tell you one time, you're to blame
Ooo hoo, ooo hoo, oooo hoo
All right

Ooo hoo hoo, ooo hoo hoo, ooo hoo hoo
Ah yeah
Ooo hoo hoo, ooo hoo hoo

Ah yes, what's my name?
Tell me, baby, ah what's my name?
Tell me, sweetie, what's my name?

Ooo hoo hoo, ooo hoo hoo, ooo hoo hoo, ooo hoo hoo
Ooo hoo hoo, ooo hoo hoo, ooo hoo hoo
Ah yeah
What's my name...

 

You trying to claim that Jagger was referring to Putin as "the Devil" ?! - somewhat hyperbolic methinks

 

Depends upon your definition of 'devil.'
Putin certainly fits my definition of a devil with his obscene wealth, murder of opponents,
treating his nation as his property, doing his bit to keep Russia poor etc..

 

I don't put too much faith in anything coming out of the Western Media w/r to Russia - not that it is above Putin or his cronies to do such a thing - just that there is way too much false stuff along with the real stuff - as he is a propaganda Pawn of the US - a useful tool to keep the Military Industrial Complex gravy train on the track.


but - OK - So Putin is the Devil for his dirty deeds .. What does that make Obama/Biden ? - the Devil's parents in some disturbing unholy union

 

I just can't see Obama/Trump/Biden being on the same level as Putin. Not even Nixon.
What happens in Russia simply doesn't happen in America. It's one of the reasons you
guys have a constitution, bi-cameral Congress, a deep tradition of democracy etc..
Name just one US president who assassinated his political opponents.

Using the 'military/industrial complex' is a hackneyed, cliched and worn out method for
explaining away how Russia treats its own people, and everyone else.
I just wish America had a decent military/industrial complex back in 1941 when the Japs
gambled it would take many years for America to compete against it's navy and airforce.
Maybe there would have been no Pearl Harbor.

 

The reason you "can't see" is because you are only using one metric .. What's worse - Putin killing a few political opponents or Obama killing 500,000 Syrians - and associated war crimes, crimes against humanity.

 

They are two different things. Roosevelt killed millions but he didn't harm a single one of his
domestic political opponents. Same with Lincoln, and Nixon.
Putin can conduct war, sometimes leveling cities like Grozny, but on top of this he essentially
owns Russia, and kills any Russian who challenges him.

 

Actually - Roosevelt and Lincoln and Nixon are different things than what Obama did.

Regardless - as I said . you are only using one metric .. so what if Obama did not kill any domestic political opponents .. What he did do is kill hundreds of thousands of innocent humans.. and ruin the lives of millions .

Putin is a dictator in a different nation from where I live .. as are the nut job puppet dictators in Africa .. They have different systems - Why would I value one Russian life - who is doing who knows what- over the lives of a hundred thousand Syrians who are just trying to live their lives .. and then one day they are under the Islamic State - and Obama us arming and supporting this Islamic State .. Shall we get into the nasty things that these folks did .. mass atrocity and the works - while Obama was supporting them - and this went on for years.

Good luck in your quest to equalize that one.

 

Yes, Obama also supported the Chinese military --- you could make a good case on that,
everything from chip technology to generous trade concessions, and turning a blind eye
to Chinese expansion in the Sth China Sea. So in any future China war you could blame
Obama for the deaths, but the connection is open to debate.
Same with Syria.
The West sympathized with the color movements of the Middle East, and took a dim view
of brutal governments. No Western power set out to murder Arabs.

 

from pg 26

Fact is Jeannette - They can't !
So they are reduced to basing their rebuttal in an attack and St mouthing of the source
........ of any Facts set before them that are contrary to the dictates of their carved in stone
.......................................................................................................... discredited & Phobic Ideology.

It is a common tactic. No better than a -cheap shot- "Ad-Hominem" It is a dumb
debate technique found to be totally lacking in any Integrity and displaying a Willful
Ignorance and avoidance of any Facts that have been presented. .. A shallow style,
..... displaying a void in any Intellectual Honesty and will win you a Failure in any
........... Academic Discourse or debate if you use it as the basis of any argument

We could respond in kind and base our rebuttal by simply informing this character,
who stoops to using this sort of "Fallacious Attack" - that the source he has named
and used, (that being "Media Bias/Fact Check") has itself been found to be a cheap,
"Amateurish" effort "lacking in any Scientific Merit" yet they still use it when it suits their purpose

SEE:
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Re Media/Fact Check
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Bias/Fact_Check

From The Article:
Media Bias/Fact Check (MBFC) is a website founded in 2015 by editor Dave Van Zandt
The website has been described as an amateur effort to rate news media sources....

The Columbia Journalism Review describes Media Bias/Fact Check as an amateur attempt
at categorizing media bias and Van Zandt as an "armchair media analyst..... despite the fact
that its method is in no way scientific.

So what we have in "Media Bias/Fact Check" is some nut Comp Geek, who is presenting
his own Opinions, Prejudices and Bias's as to the voracity of Sources, that obviously carries
................ content that offends him. An Amateur's AstroTurf used to discredit any dissent to
............................................................................................................................... the Empire's Narrative
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But rather that basing my rebuttal to his misleading's by simply exposing this ruse, I would
rather present to you an article, first published by "The Council Of Foreign Relations" in
their own Journal on International affairs. A source even Vader will find it difficult to define
........................................................................................ as a Russki sponsored Propaganda Mill. .

A scholarly Article by a highly regarded Academic with impeccable credentials who stands
strongly against the Stupid Lies and absolutely Insane Provocations in the Ukraine by
the US Empire and their Nato auxiliaries, .

SEE
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Why The Ukraine Crisis Is The West's Fault
The Liberal Delusions That Provoked Putin
By John Mearsheimer

First Published By "The Council Of Foreign Relations"
In their "Foreign Affairs Journal"

ABSTRACT

Most Western commentaries on Ukraine in the past few years have blamed the country’s crisis
on Russia. However, as John Mearsheimer has pointed out, prime responsibility for Ukraine’s
dilemma actually lies with the West. This article examines the situation in more depth, providing
a historical and philosophical analysis of the reasons why the crisis has been the inevitable out-
-come of blundering Western actions. On a superficial level, the Ukraine crisis results from NATO
(North Atlantic Treaty Organization)/EU (European Union) expansion, from the “democracy”
project mounted within Ukraine by the West, from a failure by leading Western countries to consider
Russian strategic interests, and from a lack of prudence by key Western figures who have not
foreseen the consequences of their actions. On a deeper level, the West under the leadership of
the United States has proven unable to learn from similar mistakes in the past, or to display
insight into the flaws within its political norms. Worst of all, the West has fallen into the trap,
which Thucydides correctly discerned in relation to the expansion of Athenian imperialism
and its eventual demise. Various key insights of Thucydides and Spinoza are adduced to support
this interpretation.

& https://www.jstor.org/stable/24483306?seq=1

Read The Full Article Here:
https://www.natur.cuni.cz/geografie.../ukrajina-a-rusko-mearsheimer-souleimanov.pdf
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& On GooTube
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Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer



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When will YOU tricks learn to deal with the Facts presented - No matter WHAT the source ?

 

You are talking loopy doopy nonsense ... claiming that indirect trade effects with China is related or similar to Obama's war crimes in Syria is utter silliness.

 

My point is that I could make a case that Obama and Trump both have helped China's
military ambition. By how much is open to debate. Certainly a lot of military equipment
looks like American copies. It's the same with Syria - it's an open question how much
the West supports Syria's protestors. Certainly America does not support the Syrian
govt, ISIS or the Russians there.

In the meanwhile hundreds are killed in Burma and millions are incarcerated in China.
Why no issue with the Western Left? Because there's simply no way to pin these ones
on America - and it's America that's the issue, not any suffering Syrian.

 

It has nothing to do with Syria - which is not surprising as you don't seem to know what happened in Syria - despite being informed of this on numerous occasions.

It is not an "Open Question" - unless you want to claim that the 13 bipartisan in congress who co-sponsored the "Stop Arming Terrorist" act were lying when they stated that indeed Obama had been supporting Al Qaeda/ISIS.

Not only did Obama support Al Qaeda prior to the formation of an Islamic State - he continued to support the Islamic State for years after its formation.

What part of that ugly truth are you not clear on .. as we can clear that up in a hurry - as Obama himself stated he was arming the rebels - which turned out to be the Islamic State.

 

FDR sent antichrist church-destroying mass-murdering marxist Stalin over 11 billions dollars in military aid and hardware [tanks, planes, trucks, etc] via lean-lease to enable marxist Stalin to win WW2 and enslave half of Europe. After WW2, marxists [and their perverted twin "cultural marxism"] began conquering the rest of the West.

.

 

As much as I hate Communism ----- there was a reason why America supported the USSR,
and that reason was Fascism. Hitler was more a threat to the world at that time than was
Stalin. Sure, Stalin and Hitler together invaded Poland in 1939, but if America allowed
Germany to win in Russia it would have a bigger problem than seeing Russia come to
power. As it was there must have been a recognition that Russia was going to win in any
case as it had twice the population, vastly more resources, strategic depth and most of
all -- oil.

 

Hitler himself was an enemy of Christianity. He liked Paganism as the religion of ancient germanic tribes. Christianity was too Jewish for Adolph.
The only Abrahamic religion he accepts was Islam because Islam prefers struggle over pacifism. Hitler believed in God, but he wasn't a follower of any religion.

President FDR didn't want to keep dictator Stalin in power. He wanted to help his Soviet ally to bring down Nazi Germany.

 

Something else about John Mearsheimer:

He ... was almost alone in opposing Ukraine's decision to give up its nuclear weapons in 1994, predicting that it would invariably face Russian aggression without a nuclear deterrent.​

Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer

The crux of the argument you are borrowing from John Mearsheimer here is that Ukraine and the West provoked poor Russia into conflict by getting too close to Ukraine. You're arguing that Russia was right to invade another country, violate its sovereignty, annex its territory and is continue killing its people today in armed conflict, all because of a "miscalculation," essentially. But here is the thing. Mearsheimer is a realist, not someone who is arguing what is right or wrong. Furthermore, he is offering his opinion, not "facts" that in any way counter what Media Bias Factcheck has revealed about the Duran. Nothing in what you posted has countered that in the least. In fact, this attempt to explain Russian aggression has absolutely nothing to do with the Duran being a propaganda rag.

And your colorful nonsense in no way justifies Russian aggression in Ukraine.

 

^ You are repeating Russian propaganda right there.

 

Did you read through it? I tailored the lyrics to Putin. If he is like the devil, it is in his ability to do evil while convincing people he is not evil. He is a very effective strongman leader. I'd hate to see what a man like him could accomplish in this country with this crop of Republicans.