Derek Chauvin Murder Trial is on

I don't think Chauvin knew that his actions might cause Floyd's death.
His task was to keep Floyd's head fixed, he used his legs because Floyd was big muscular man, there was no way he could control him with hands.

 

If you actually listened to the police superiors and trainers (at least 2 or 3 if I remember correctly), it's not a technique police are taught.You're making crap up that contradicts the testimony.

No he's on trial for murdering Floyd, pay attention.

It also has zero to do with the charges leveled against Chauvin.

Whether the arrest was lawful or not is not in question nor is it relevant to the case. All 3 charges are felonies in Minnesota and as testified, killing Floyd in the manner Chauvin used is not a "legitimate technique" anywhere in the US.

None of that is relevant to the case, nor does it change the fact that Chauvin murdered Floyd.

 

Because Floyd's action and cry for help were considered as a trick to avoid arrest. Floyd started cry for help from the beginning.

 

And then he stopped crying for five minutes or more, three of those minutes he was dead. During that time Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd's neck even after being told there was no pulse and refused to even turn Floyd over. Why do Chauvin's defenders keep ignoring facts?

 

There's nothing I need to say, the evidence, charges and the testimony speaks for itself. The substantial causal factor in Floyd's death were the actions and inactions of Chauvin. That has been asserted and corroborated by at least 3 expert witnesses and yet to be challenged. The actions and inactions were absolutely intentional, that's irrefutable. Whether Chauvin actually intended to murder Floyd is debatable and only Chauvin knows for sure but the fact remains that Chauvin did indeed murder Floyd by his actions and inactions.

 

Well, that is something that someone needs to be find out. May be he was shocked and stunned of what has happened. May be he did not hear anything.
But in general, there was nothing special in Chauvin's actions when he was trying to keep Floyd's head fixed. In many videos I saw that his right leg was on the ground, that means that he was not applying his full weight as reported by racial war proponents.

 

Well quite clearly you are an expert on the definition of murder and you have your own definition compared to everyone else .

Perhaps you can answer these questions for us all then :

Whom is responsible for murdering all the starving children of Africa who die everyday ?

Whom is responsible for murdering all the homeless people who die everyday ?

 

What did they say about this case? I find them discussing impeachment.

 

Propaganda Alert!

No witness called by the prosecution would endorse your version of reality. They all said the actions of police cause Floyd's death. All of them.

 

No one needs to be an "expert" on the definition of murder and I didn't invent any such definition, that's idiotic nonsense you're peddling. Tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of people, including the prosecution who have charged Chauvin with committing MURDER, ALL agree Chauvin murdered Floyd so there is nothing to "compare to everyone else", except with YOU and perhaps others who share your mindset. But I'm not interested in any comparison with such silly mentality. This murder sparked worldwide protests and they were protesting a MURDER in case you missed the news. You think they all need to be experts on the definition of murder to be able to recognize a murder? Perhaps it's you who needs a refresher course.

There is no "us all" who have any interest in the above irrelevant nonsense, there's just you and the above is off topic. This topic is about the murder of Floyd by Chauvin, stick to the actual topic of this discussion if you can.

 

Actually these questions are relevant to the topic and I shall demonstrate the relevance to the ''jury'' .

According to your logic and use of the word murder , any person who does not aid starving African children or homeless people are murderers by their actions and inaction's .

Murder is intentionally killing somebody , your logic reads : Unintentional intentionally killing somebody .

Your avoidance of the questions was to evade incriminating yourself .

Are you a murderer of the homeless and starving African children ?

 

There's no requirement in the statute the "serious bodily harm" be permanent.

When you put you body weight on the back of someone who is face down for minutes, you should understand there's more than a "very small probability" you may kill them.

 

I kinda see that, but why do you think he told his partner no when he suggested he turn him over?
And why did he continue for 3 minutes after he was dead?

 

Rule 5.1. Constitutional Challenge to a Statute | Federal Rules ...
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The court may reject a constitutional challenge to a statute at any time. But the court may not enter a final judgment holding a statute unconstitutional before the attorney general has responded or the intervention period has expired without response.

''In other words, the language in the United States Code may be challenged with contradictory evidence''


Unintentional intentional killing somebody !

 

Another day, another nail in Chauvins coffin. Heart condition has been ruled out.

 

But that is more relevant in civil procedures. Like Eggshell skull law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull

I believe there are different standards for criminal law and especially for those laws that related to police interactions with suspect during the arrest procedure.

 

AG's in every state should commission a panel of incarcerated career criminals and task them to draft a list of criminal justice reforms that could reduce the incarceration rate. They would know what might have deterred their lives of crime.

This is one suggestion that criminals might not like. The DP Mayors of our urban hell holes could stop virtually all of the violent street crime instantly.

1. Order police to stop enforcing gun control laws targeting law abiding citizens
2. Order the police to begin conducting firearms training courses for the public.
3. Order the police to start lending confiscated firearms to the general public.
4. Organize and train street patrols of well armed sworn volunteers from local neighborhoods with the narrow mission to confront and stop street violence on the spot.

Criminals who have wasted most of their lives in prison would probably be able to suggest many other reforms.

 

The Minneapolis DA has charged Chauvin with murder. Aren’t they supposed to be experts on the “definition of murder” ? If not them, who then? Perhaps anonymous internet posters like you should make that determination going forward. What do you think?

 

Once more and for the last time for the reading comprehension impaired, hundreds of millions of people, eyewitnesses, expert witnesses and the prosecution can and have recognized that Chauvin murdered Floyd. That is not even questionable and it doesn't take a dictionary, legalese, a courtroom or knowledge of how a constitutional challenge works to recognize a murder taking place as recorded on multiple videos at multiple angles. Dance all you want and deny all you want, that's a fact that will not change no matter what kind of nonsense you post. Whether the court will render a guilty verdict or not will also not change these incontrovertible facts.

 

And drugs.

 

They already have. And YES we can all agree that the struggles and stress which Floyd caused himself contributed to his heart failing, signs of which he demonstrated long before he was on the ground. Along WITH the heart disease and the lethal dose of drugs.

And did you watch today as the prosecution tried to rehabilitate the testimony of the lead investigator about Floyd's "I eat too many drugs" and wanting to bring in some audio expert who SLOWED it down and put a time line and a graphic and etc. The judge ruled that the jury must make that decision based on the video and of course listening to that investigator on the stand unequivically state that Floyd said "I eat too many drugs" only to be taken into a backroom by investigators and his testimony sudden changed to I don't know. They jury witnessed that sudden change and that won't sit well.

No sequester.

 

Well, it looks like the “he died of a drug overdose” and “he had a heart attack” crap has been thoroughly discredited today by the cardiologist who testified today. It is becoming clearer and clearer that Chauvin murdered Floyd.

 

And the defense witness will rule back in. And if all the witnesses are allowed his passing out from the drugs will be testified to.

 

He faces three charges:
1. Second-degree unintentional murder
2. Third-degree murder
3. Second-degree manslaughter

What is second-degree unintentional murder?
For a conviction of second-degree unintentional murder, the state's prosecutors will have to show beyond a reasonable doubt that Chauvin caused Floyd's death while assaulting him. This is the most serious charge and carries a presumed sentence in this case of 10 3⁄4 years to 15 years,

What is third-degree murder?
Initially, Chauvin faced an additional charge of third-degree murder, but Cahill dismissed that charge and denied a request from the prosecution to reinstate it. The Minnesota Court of Appeals ruled Friday that the judge was wrong to refuse reinstating the third-degree murder charge and sent the case back to Cahill for consideration. After the Minnesota Supreme Court declined to consider an appeal from the defense, Cahill reinstated the charge Thursday. It also carries a presumptive sentence in this case of 10 3⁄4 years to 15 years, according to state sentencing guidelines.

What is second-degree manslaughter?
In order to convict Chauvin of second-degree manslaughter, prosecutors will need to show beyond a reasonable doubt that he was "culpably negligent" and took an "unreasonable risk" with Floyd's life when he restrained him and that his actions put Floyd at risk of death or great harm. Prosecutors do not have to prove that Chauvin's actions intended to cause Floyd's death, only that his actions put Floyd at risk of death or great bodily harm. This charge carries a presumptive sentence of 41-57 months.

https://www.startribune.com/derek-c...ghter-police-minneapolis-minnesota/600030691/

 

I do not have to decide the definition of murder when the rules of thumb decides for us .

In general consensus I think we all know the generalization of murder from movies , some movies based on real life murderers such as Bundy.

There is a significant difference between murder and other causes of death . .