Can America afford to pay a higher minimum wage?

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  1. Captain Obvious

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    It is a Communist country for gods sake! They don’t have the same freedoms. How can you even compare?
    The individual rights of the people are linked to freedom of the economy.
     
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    Can those making a higher wage afford to buy their needs from businesses also paying their employees a higher wage? If you really want to help workers, get the governments hands out of their pockets!
     
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    It’s exactly the same. Stop signs or stop lights. Laws that are mutually agreed on by citizens for the safety of life. Because we hold life as the a standard of value.
    Separating people from their property by force to benefit some at the detriment of others does not benefit all. Nor does it hold life as value.

    Not only does the beneficiary receive an unearned benefits the expense of someone else, you decrease the total number of people employed.
     
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    Unions bargain for a price fix on wages, retirement and other goodies. And a bargain under threat is no bargain. It’s no different than bargaining with a thief holding a gun.
    Of course people can pay more. It is implicit in the term that it means to be fixed in one direction. Low or high.
    you’re being semantical.
    To say a minimum price is reasonable iand fix it to law is not reasonable. It is a demand. And a burden.
     
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    To day nothing of a primary driver of inflation, and a marvelous way to shove jobs I over seas
     
  6. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Communism means totalitarianism, it means state ownership of all enterprize.

    Yes, there is a high degree of authoritarianism, but it's no longer totalitarian, the state doesn't own all means of production and distribution.

    ANd, guess what, When I argue that "communist" china is projected to be kicking US ass economically round about 2028, you know what republicans say when I present that argument?

    "It's not a communist country anymore".

    Make up your ****ing minds.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    We're only talking about the lowest rung. Jeezus ****, you think that's a problem? What, rich corporation's can't afford to pay people at the bottom a livable wage? That making a law compelling them to do this is 'hands in pockets'? What kind of bizarro logic is that?

    WTFU.
     
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    Thats not what I said, but still correct. Increasing min wage only benefits the tax man. The worker is no better off. $15 hr min wage is already in place in Los Angeles. Groceries are more expensive and fewer employees are used. Amazon is already taking advantage of this.

    If the government cared about the low wage workers, they could stop wasting so much of their hard earned money and lower their taxes.
     
  9. Patricio Da Silva

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    I doubt $15 an hour is enough to live on in L.A. A studio apartment is what, $1500 a month?

    AFAIK, you don't pay taxes on that low of a wage. But, I don't know. in my view, no one should pay taxes on the low of income.
     
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    Funny how every other country manages a living wage as well as health care daycare cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations. Thanks GOP and the missinformed.
     
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    What's your view on tax credits?
     
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    Can America afford to pay a higher minimum wage?
    How is this relevant or rational? Can you or anyone afford to pay more rent or higher mortgage payments, higher gasoline, bread or movie ticket prices? I would guess so, so that must mean the government should raise all of those costs.
     
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    And you would be wrong.
     
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    That is correct. The $1500. includes all the taxes the landlord pays and passes along to the renter. Low wage earners still pay income tax.
     
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    Living wage- get a better job
    Cheap health care- go to the emergency room
    Cheap college- go to a cheap college
    Cheap day care- don’t have a child you can’t afford
    Vacations- save your money take a vacation.

    is there anything you are willing to pay for yourself?
    You must be a woman.
     
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    You must be a con.
     
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    Lol. I mean who else but a feminist or a communist will stand behind the idea that everyone is gonna work to give other people free ****.
    Do you really need to make other people slaves so you can live your life? Take some action yourself.
     
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    Well, most of that is obvious crap.

    But, I'd at least like to point out that if you run up a bill at the ER, they WILL come after your dollars.

    And, the ER is the most expensive science based health care you can possibly find.
     
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    Yes yes make everything as expensive and difficult to do as possible. No sacrifice is too great to save the greedy idiot GOP mega Rich brainwashers from paying their fair share. Great job! Thanks for the worst inequality and upward mobility ever and anywhere in the modern world by far. Change the damn channel.
     
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    Every job should give the workers dignity. Every other modern country does. You're totally missinformed....
     
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    The income one needs to be in the upper 50% is that they earn very little, starting from $25,000* (which is also the 2018 poverty line)*, compared to even the stimulus bills that didn't completely peter out until the $400,000 income level.

    * What is the Average Income in America? (wallethacks.com)

    So, what's your point? Take from the poor to pay the ULTRA-poor? Isn't that what we're doing now? Didn't Biden just say about it that he was sick of the poor being fleeced in his tax the rich policies?? Or something like that?
     
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    Then why don't employers in the US pay everyone minimum wage and exploit them? If we allow the government more and more power to dictate to us how we will work and what we will get paid won't we then in fact become MORE like China?
     
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    Why? If you only get your dignity by your employment then you have far more problems than your employment. If you don't think your job is "dignified" enough then get another one you think does. Any dignity I made at work I made myself it wasn't given to me by someone else.

    What exactly is this dignity of which you speak? I get a new job how is this dignity you are saying I should get manifested?
     
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    It's a fixed minimum.

    Absolutely you can and business does, both are expenses to the company.

    It's business thinking when it comes to the books. Labor is a cost of doing business, an expense.

    Why don't all businesses just pay the minimum wage for every job?
     
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    The wealth choice show the top 50% own a lot of personal property, not redistributable public resources.
     

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