Derek Chauvin Murder Trial is on

A "heat of the moment" does not go on for nine minutes.

 

To me the biggest factors are what happened in real time, and intent is wrapped up in Mr Floyd, bystanders, and paramedics trying to intervene but being ignored until well after the guy died.

 

I think you are making exaggerations in favor of political agenda. Yes, probably Chauvin will be sacrificed, that will give criminals, rioters and looters more courage and power.

 

I don't disagree. I have long thought he'd be convicted of manslaughter and given 5. I don't think it was intentional, and I don't think he committed some other felony, but it was probably reckless, or will so seem to the jury. All 12? I don't know ....

He doesn't have to testify, but I'd like to hear him explain some things. I am quite sure that he will deny that he put his full weight on Floyd's neck. Not that it matters.

 

The odds are pretty good that will be the outcome, assuming no one on the jury is a gullible fool or a racist. The correct verdict would be second-degree murder (up to 40 years) but that won't happen because he's a cop (or was).

 

Good grief. You're making excuses for what Chauvin did to a handcuffed prisoner.

 

Stating fact isn't making excuses. What they did was hold him down because he was going crazy and refused to compose himself. And it was their job to arrest him for breaking the law for passing counterfeit money, being under the influence of drugs and resisting arrest. That he died is on him. Blaming the cops is nearer to heathenistic superstition than to science and reason. Heck people die all the time while they're being helped in ambulances, emergency rooms and operating theatres. Yet you think Police work is a delicate matter.

 

It does when the suspect wears you plumb out and you are hit with an adrenaline rush followed by its attendant crash.

 

Why have the defence brought on such a weak witness as their first!

 

LOL 4 officers worn out by a "dance" that lasted no more than 20 seconds and then had nine minutes to kneel and sit on a handcuffed person who eventually died!

 

Second defense witness has also favoured the prosecution!

 

And their second.
Holy moly.

 

This is the charge that I think Chauvin, as a veteran police officer, will have a difficult time getting around:



Chauvin should know better from training and experience then to put his body weight on the back of face down, handcuffed prisoner for an extended period of time.

 

Talk about weak, so far none of the testimony by the defense witnesses testimonies have anything to do with what happened to George Floyd. Give it a chance, you never know.

 

If you go by the literal wording, yes that is true, but the actual exact meaning of the wording is more nebulous.

Does "culpable negligence" really apply in this situation, and did he "create unreasonable risk" ?

I don't believe this type of law was really exactly meant to apply to a situation exactly like this.

If I was a juror, it is going to be hard to argue that what he did was entirely unreasonable, given the situation and the limited information that was available to him at the time. His actions were not entirely "culpable" either, due to the nature of the situation. In such a physical struggle he would not have had much time to think or fully realize that his particular choice of actions may not have been the most appropriate. In that situation, those are not the type of actions that one clearly & completely obviously knows to be wrong.

 

And we have seen testimony it was. And the defense shot some holes in his "conclusion". The forensic professor on the HLN panel just said, referring to the time Floyd was sitting leaning against the building, that the drugs were taking effect and the first signs on the coronary/pulmonary arrest taking place.

BTW I think the defense got their first point of appeal when the Judge ruled about the prosecution not granting use immunity to Hall who was in the car too.

Now that poses a conundrum for the prosecution. On the one hand they claim the drugs had nothing to do with the death, nothing. But on the other hand they will not grant immunity to Hall because he faces a 3rd degree manslaughter charge for giving Floyd the drugs that killed him.

They can't have it both ways.

And I was taking care of chores and was recording the testimony but it screwed up and I missed the female officer which the defense recalled as their witness.

 

He was intoxicated behind the wheel of a vehicle. He had refused their orders. they're not going to just let someone drive away or even leave the scene. They knew he had priors. And yes it is a state and a FEDERAL crime to pass counterfeit money and the other two in the car admitted in the videos and the woman on the stand they were passing phony money. Just at the local level it is a misdemeanor crime for which you can get arrested.

I bet they wish he had just gotten into the back of the police vehicle, as all the witnesses standing around were saying why doesn't he just stop fighting with the police, as they were trying to get him into so he could rest comfortably while the ambulance was in route. Did the other two suspects resist arrest? No. Did they live to see another day?

 

It was a mistake, one which he should not have made, but one that would not have been entirely unreasonable to make in that situation.

I don't believe you can hold people entirely responsible for mistakes when it was mostly not unreasonable for them to make that mistake.

When physical force is used to try to restrain and control a person who is physically resisting, all sorts of things can go wrong.

The bigger and stronger the suspect, the more level of force officers will apply.

If the suspect was not crazy from using drugs, this would not have happened. That doesn't make it "all his fault", but some of the fault does lie with him.

 

A knee pressed into Floyd's neck for 9:29 mins and kept there about 3.5 mins after he passed out (i.e. no movement of any kind), about 3 mins after he died and after he had been told Floyd had no pulse, failure to provide and refusing to allow any medical attention, failure to assess Floyd's condition and failing to use the least level of force appropriate to the situation, all in complete contradiction to Chauvin's training, is not a mistake. Chauvin's actions and inactions were deliberate.

All expert witnesses who have testified so far have claimed that Chauvin's actions and inactions were unreasonable and in contradiction to his training in that situation. You are making this up as you have no standing to contradict these expert witnesses.

 

Okay, that is kind of extreme, but you will admit that the placement of the knee in the first place in that situation was not really that extreme?

We also don't know how hard that knee was being pushed during that entire time. It might have been he released the pressure after the first 2 minutes.

If that was the case, it might not sound entirely so unreasonable.

When police believe that the man is under the influence of drugs, and he has been physically resisting and acting irrational, they don't know what to expect.

Chauvin probably did not want to take any chances. Probably thought making him pass out would be easier.

I do wonder whether the suspect would have died, considering his underlying medical conditions, if he had just been shot with a tranquilizer gun.

 

You are aware there are vids posted in this thread showing that bodyweight in this restraint means nothing, yes? I can post them again.

 

"unreasonable" is a little bit of a relative term.
Something can be "unreasonable" and "not entirely unreasonable" at the same time.

 

The third defence witness is also being destroyed by the prosecution. i see plea bargaining by the end of the week

 

Guessing that this is another of your irrelevant links

 

whatever you say. looks a lot like a guy restraining a guy with the exact technique to me. perfectly done with no problems.

Or are you watching a different vid?