Biden will withdraw all U.S. forces from Afghanistan by Sept. 11, 2021

Looks like US is finally throwing in the towel in Afghanistan. Trump spent lot of time negotiating with the terrorists and it seems Biden will follow through with the plan

Biden will withdraw all U.S. forces from Afghanistan by Sept. 11, 2021
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...nistan-by-sept-11-2021/ar-BB1fBSWa?li=BBnb7Kz
President Biden will withdraw all American troops from Afghanistan over the coming months, people familiar with the plans said, completing the military exit by the 20th anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that first drew the United States into its longest war.

The decision, which Biden is expected to announce on Wednesday, will keep thousands of U.S. forces in the country beyond the May 1 exit deadline that the Trump administration negotiated last year with the Taliban, according to one person familiar with the matter, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe plans that are not yet public.

 

This is actually big news and I'm a bit surprised there isn't more coverage of it.

I'm also surprised that the administration is actually going through with it. I thought he had signed on to a forever war. This article was just from the 8th:

Biden seems ready to extend US troop presence in Afghanistan

Well it's good news if he actually goes through with it. First building a wall, now this. He's adopting the Trump agenda.

 

why in the heck are we still there? And no foreign aid to there either please

 

Is that why they call him "far left" and "radical left wing"?

 

I just read today that we only have about 2,000 troops there while our allies still have over 7,000. Are our allies withdrawing as well as us???

 

I don't think they call him anything. He's not running things obviously. But that just makes me curious who actually is running things.

Hope the administration actually follows through. How about you?

 

They do call him that, and other things like war monger. Whatever suits the mood I suppose.

Last time Biden and Obama carried out the previous admin brokered withdrawal plan, it ended badly.

 

How appropriate that we'll pull out of Afganistan exactly 20 years after the event that caused us to go there in the first place. For those who shed blood and sweat in this conflict, this date will be the big message that yes, all of this was all for nothing.

Oh, and once we leave, the Taliban will take over the government, execute the current government officials as traitors, and, finally, return Afghanistan into a strict Sharia state. Operation Freedom, my foot!

But, and I'm serious, I can't see any reason to continue the conflict in Afghanistan. And, I want us to pull out of there. Whether we really leave or not, or our allies stay or leave, will probably never be covered by the MSM.

 

Bush stared the never ending war, Obama failed to end it, Trump failed to end it.... we will see if Biden does or not

 

agree, I said that before we ever started the war, once we leave it all goes back to the way it was
and it only cost us how many trillions and trillions, not to mention the human cost

same would happen if someone tried to control our country, we would fight until they left, make it so it was not worth the time and energy to stay here

ironically the right saw this as a religious war, since the war started more Muslims have fled to the USA for safety than ever, totally backfired on them for their goal of a Cristian nation

 

As far as cost, in the heyday of W. Bush, I remember he went to Congress every month to pass emergency funds of $800 billion to finance the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. If we've been funding the war like that for 20 years, that's $192 trillion.

 

it will always end badly

Bush grabbed the tiger by the tail... someone will eventually have to let go

Bush messed up, the two 10+ wars cost us dearly, Bush should have just did a quick aerial attack in retribution and left it there (Bush over-reacted)

 

As the father of one who fought in Afghanistan, I can make the case that it was worth it.

I expect that after we leave, the Afghan army will crumble under a taliban assault, and the taliban will once again take over Afghanistan. I think that could happen in 3 months, 6 months at most. (Hell, it could happen in 3 weeks.)

So why was it worth it?

Because from a purely military standpoint, the taliban is next to nothing in the face of our air power and the prowess of our Marine and Army ground units. This means that if the U.S. should ever come under attack by Al Qaeda again, based out of Afghanistan, that we possess the ability to punish them again ... rather easily I might add. Our expeditionary ability has been proven to them, and our military superiority. Unless they are insane, this should serve as a credible deterrent.

The deterrent is the win, and it is what makes the sacrifices our troops made worth it. Their fundamental duty and mission was to protect America, and they have done so.

And the taliban should know ... they can do it again. The taliban may have their country ... and their lives ... because we let them have them.

If they allow or enable another event similar to 9/11, then hell is coming to dinner.

God bless our troops.

 

I think we all agree they should have been punished, but we did not need to do it in a way that costs us so many trillions of dollars

a quick aerial response that bombed the heck out of them would have been sufficient and much cheaper

the Taliban may try it again now... why, to bankrupt us, hoping we overreact again

 

The American people wanted bin Laden, though, and we needed to occupy Afghanistan to do it. But if something like that happens again, I doubt that we would occupy Afghanistan. More likely, like I said, hell would be coming for dinner ... er .... breakfast.

 

Obama had the option of extending the US presence in Iraq (I'm assuming that's what you're referring to). He choose not to.

I don't know who "they" is, but good luck with them.

 

I disagree. I think the war(s) broke us as a country. If we were to suffer another 9/11 style attack, the "Squad" would immediately begin tweeting that we deserved it and want to defund the military. We wouldn't be able to unite the country to engage in long term warfare. The best we can hope for is to drop a few bombs and leave.

 

Extension would have left US troops without legal protection / immunity from local prosecution, so it was pretty much a "no choice" situation. No one would leave US troops at the mercy of Iraqi courts / executioners. Biden could choose to stay, and even retain immunity for US troops, but it seems he wants out, as did Trump. IMO we could maintain a base there, like the Bagram Airfield, while NOT engaging in routine military operations.

 

I've discussed that issue on this forum so many times over the years I don't see much reason to go back and divert the thread on it. However if you are interested you may use the search function.

 

No, I am not interested, I already know what happened in Iraq, like I just explained. Afghanistan situation is different, because unlike Iraq, we do have a choice there.

Sounds like you think getting out of Iraq was a mistake, but getting out of Afghanistan is the right move, because Trump wanted it. Is that pretty much it?

 

I seriously doubt that the Squad would be that tone deaf. We certainly do have a problem with national unity, but you're exemplifying it here. There's too much hatred and vitriol directed at our fellow Americans over increasingly extreme and factually unfounded views. On the right.

 

Of course they would not do that, and if they did, they would lose whatever support they still have and no one would listen to such nonsense.

 

Good luck Afghanistan, you are going to need it. I hope they are able to hold out against the Taliban.

 

I doubt it. Trump brokered a deal with them, so they are legally entitled to their piece of the pie, and when you give such people (terrorists) your little finger, they always take the whole hand.

 

And no "advisors", please.

Minimal embassy staffing too.

Hopefully pulling out of Iraq is on the agenda
as well as any other "Not At War, War" deployments.


Moi

Invade
It's closer.​